TPS and the brain

[kcl]

This is the one I'm used to so I can sub 1 it. I messed up the first one and got 1.88. Second one was a .93. I think it's just finger dexterity. IMO you are at your top capability in teens through mid 20s. Like sneaklyfox said, activities using a lot of dexterity may extend you beyond this range. But I mean it's the same reason young people run faster than old people. People just slow down with age. That's my take on it anyway..

 

[sneaklyfox]

Why is everybody 15 years old?

Probably like has been mentioned in this thread, beyond a certain age, your cells don't regenerate as well anymore. I would say my muscles are "rusty". Not too badly though but not at peak age. I bet if I were still 15 I would be faster than I am now.

Edit: And I count the brain cells. I usually believe the brain is limiting factor more than the fingers themselves. About what kclejeune said about running though... I think it's easier for older people to keep their brains and fingers active than to keep their bigger muscles working properly. There's more power involved in doing athletic things that definitely benefits with a younger body. But I don't know... maybe that's just me. From an athletic standpoint, I'm waaaay out of shape. (But I can blame my prego belly for that lol.)

 

[Schmidt]

About the brain: I heard/read that you peak at age 6 for the game of memory (find two matching pairs/cards). So don't feel sad if you lose to your younger siblings or children.

 

[qqwref]

I believe that even into the 50s or 60s it is still very much possible to achieve a sub-15 average. It's possible that older people improve slower, but I think it's more likely that there are other factors holding them back, such as:
- lack of time to practice, compared to teenagers
- most of your life spent not moving your fingers quickly
- psychological effects - thinking you are too old/slow to have any chance at being fast
- unwillingness to push yourself and go faster than you are comfortable with
- lower neuroplasticity, making it harder to learn completely new techniques such as lookahead

My evidence? Look at professional pianists. Many of them play extremely complex and difficult pieces, which require finger dexterity and speed that is comparable to sub-15 averages (if not faster ones). However, age does not affect pianists nearly as much as we think it affects cubers. Being able to play properly (i.e. continue their career) until middle or old age is the norm, and indeed, many professionals seem to improve with age, as they get more experience and learn more pieces. Youtube has tons of examples of this.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Ron van Bruchem got a 12.62 official average when he was 44.

 

[kcl]

Why is everybody 15 years old?

I'm 14.. WAT PLOT TWIST

 

[CarlBrannen]

I believe that even into the 50s or 60s it is still very much possible to achieve a sub-15 average. It's possible that older people improve slower, but I think it's more likely that there are other factors holding them back, such as:
- lack of time to practice, compared to teenagers
- most of your life spent not moving your fingers quickly
- psychological effects - thinking you are too old/slow to have any chance at being fast
- unwillingness to push yourself and go faster than you are comfortable with
- lower neuroplasticity, making it harder to learn completely new techniques such as lookahead

My evidence? Look at professional pianists. Many of them play extremely complex and difficult pieces, which require finger dexterity and speed that is comparable to sub-15 averages (if not faster ones). However, age does not affect pianists nearly as much as we think it affects cubers. Being able to play properly (i.e. continue their career) until middle or old age is the norm, and indeed, many professionals seem to improve with age, as they get more experience and learn more pieces. Youtube has tons of examples of this.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Ron van Bruchem got a 12.62 official average when he was 44.

I'm now 55 and have been speed cubing for a year. Most of the trouble is not getting enough time to practice. And then there's days when my fingers are just slow. They feel fast today... Right now my best Ao12 is 30.29 seconds which would be a world record at age 55 by about a second. My PB Ao100 is 34.09 seconds right now. But I don't think that's anywhere near my limit. I believe that a year from now I can get Ao12s maybe 27 seconds, with Ao100s around 30 seconds.

But I think the big reason why older people are slower is that they've got other things to do in life.

 

[wontolla]

My evidence? Look at professional pianists. Many of them play extremely complex and difficult pieces, which require finger dexterity and speed that is comparable to sub-15 averages (if not faster ones). However, age does not affect pianists nearly as much as we think it affects cubers. Being able to play properly (i.e. continue their career) until middle or old age is the norm, and indeed, many professionals seem to improve with age, as they get more experience and learn more pieces. Youtube has tons of examples of this.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Ron van Bruchem got a 12.62 official average when he was 44.

I guess it all depends on WHEN these pianists learned to play. If they started when children, then their brain is made to play, but if they started older, they will have great difficulty to keep up when old.

 

[sneaklyfox]

My evidence? Look at professional pianists. Many of them play extremely complex and difficult pieces, which require finger dexterity and speed that is comparable to sub-15 averages (if not faster ones). However, age does not affect pianists nearly as much as we think it affects cubers. Being able to play properly (i.e. continue their career) until middle or old age is the norm, and indeed, many professionals seem to improve with age, as they get more experience and learn more pieces. Youtube has tons of examples of this.

Music is a little different. I'm not talking about finger dexterity because music is a lot more than just playing a bunch of notes accurately. When musicians are older their real life experiences help them to understand and express complex emotions so they usually become better as they age (like fine wine, I suppose). If you're too young for certain pieces, sometimes you just can't play it that well. For example, if you've never experienced grief, heartbreak, or loss of a loved one, it's much harder to understand than if you've gone through the experience.

 

[mark49152]

I guess it all depends on WHEN these pianists learned to play. If they started when children, then their brain is made to play, but if they started older, they will have great difficulty to keep up when old.

This

 

[qqwref]

Well yeah, I agree that doing something since you were younger helps a lot. But the point is that it's certainly not impossible to move your fingers quickly and accurately if you are in your 30s or 40s or 50s.

 

[DaveyCow]

I'm a few years older than you and average ~34 with only slow improvement. Here's my thoughts on tps and age.

Fingers, eyes and brain all slow down with age. If you developed skills at a younger age, you have a better chance of sustaining them as you get older, whereas learning new skills at an older age is much harder.

Analyzing my own performance: ...

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I believe that even into the 50s or 60s it is still very much possible to achieve a sub-15 average. It's possible that older people improve slower, but I think it's more likely that there are other factors holding them back, such as:...

Oh, and for what it's worth, Ron van Bruchem got a 12.62 official average when he was 44.

Very nice analysis and thoughts! I will take this to heart and use it to help me figure out my weak-areas and improve! (funny how most people just posted their Ao12 for F-perm which wasn't at all the point of the post, so thx for not doing that too! )

 

[Antonie faz fan]

.70 with skip hahahahah lol
Real time got like .95 and I am 12lol

 

[Username]

.70 with skip hahahahah lol
Real time got like .95 and I am 12lol

With a skip? You don't get skips in F-perms

 

[cowabunga]

funny how most people just posted their Ao12 for F-perm which wasn't at all the point of the post

Thats what you get from attention-seeking narcissistic kids who lack empathy.

 

[Wassili]

.70 with skip hahahahah lol
Real time got like .95 and I am 12lol

lolwut

and you can sub-1 the f-perm with the t-perm in it?

 

[cubesonfire]

Average f perm around 3 though it is sub 3. 12 years old and I am a relatively new cuber

 

[ottozing]

Thats what you get from attention-seeking narcissistic kids who lack empathy.

Wow can you please not make ******y assumptions like that? XD

 

[sneaklyfox]

I posted a time for F-perm. I'm not a kid. My point of doing it was to show that one can be "older" and still be decently fast.

 

[cowabunga]

Wow can you please not make ******y assumptions like that? XD

It's an overstatement and generalizing but entirely untrue? nah
I don't have positive things to say about people myself included. I have aspergers sry
Can you please stop saying ******y? XD

 

[KongShou]

It's an overstatement and generalizing but entirely untrue? nah
I don't have positive things to say about people myself included. I have aspergers sry
Can you please stop saying ******y? XD

Since when do we post sup 1 PLLs to show off? Only sub 1 PLLs are even remotely impressive. That's like saying people post sub 20 times to show off.

******y