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sneaklyfox said:
persevering with metronome practice. It does work for some people.
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I am a bit in doubt if it really works for me. You have proved us by showing a video with slow a turning Ao5 you can get sub 16. That is awesome.. But if I turn slow I can look ahead better but it does not really help my times. If I turn real fast (which is not really that fast after all) I can still handle lookahead. So when turn fast I rarely hit sup 30. At slow turning I have many sup 30 solves. At turning fast 99% of my solves are sub 28. I will commit to some slow metronome practice this week and see what happens with my averages.
 
MarcelP said:
I am a bit in doubt if it really works for me. You have proved us by showing a video with slow a turning Ao5 you can get sub 16. That is awesome.. But if I turn slow I can look ahead better but it does not really help my times. If I turn real fast (which is not really that fast after all) I can still handle lookahead. So when turn fast I rarely hit sup 30. At slow turning I have many sup 30 solves. At turning fast 99% of my solves are sub 28. I will commit to some slow metronome practice this week and see what happens with my averages.
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I'm sure the slow turning can work for you too. You just have to persevere with the slow turning and train that look ahead. If you can turn as fast as I did in the video then look ahead is the issue. From personal experience, the problem you mention is one I have to deal with at all stages. If I turn slower, my look ahead improves but I am slower. If I turn faster my look ahead is not as good... still "ok" but then I am generally faster. Maybe for fast turning you can train your fingers on PLLs. For F2L do more slow turning practice. Honestly, sometimes I don't know how I get past a barrier. I just keep working at it, sometimes fast, sometimes slow... suddenly something must click and I know I am improving again.
 
sneaklyfox said:
I'm sure the slow turning can work for you too. You just have to persevere with the slow turning and train that look ahead. If you can turn as fast as I did in the video then look ahead is the issue.
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As always you are very right. And I really need work on drilling OLL's and PLL's. I have another fun game in mind. You have to film a solve. You must take a scramble given by the organiser of the game. You can (and must) prepare the solve. So you solve it many times from different angles (or different cross colors) and find the best solution for you. Then you start working on speed. Repeat the solve as many times as possible in order to get your best time ever... Of course this time can not be used as a PB for speedsolving, but at least it can show you your 'finger' speed. Why? 1) This is just fun 2) learn to find better solutions. 3) Drilling the solve over and over might help you doing faster LL. The idea of this came to me when the 4 seconds fake solve in Mexico came a fast person got a sub 5 seconds solve on the scramble after repeating it hundreds of times.

Anyone up for this game?
 
MarcelP said:
As always you are very right. And I really need work on drilling OLL's and PLL's. I have another fun game in mind. You have to film a solve. You must take a scramble given by the organiser of the game. You can (and must) prepare the solve. So you solve it many times from different angles (or different cross colors) and find the best solution for you. Then you start working on speed. Repeat the solve as many times as possible in order to get your best time ever... Of course this time can not be used as a PB for speedsolving, but at least it can show you your 'finger' speed. Why? 1) This is just fun 2) learn to find better solutions. 3) Drilling the solve over and over might help you doing faster LL. The idea of this came to me when the 4 seconds fake solve in Mexico came a fast person got a sub 5 seconds solve on the scramble after repeating it hundreds of times.

Anyone up for this game?
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Me

I'm also one of them that slow solving doesn't work for. I'm sub 15 without any slow solving at all. I feel to have better lookahead with fast turning than slow turning, but my F2L is still really slow.

E:

I did a practice attempt, and I'm already able to get 8.xy times easily after 5 attempts

L2 F2 D2 U' B2 D' U2 F2 L2 U2 R2 B' F' L' U' R' F' U B2 F2 R

x2 y
R' B' R2 U F' L U' L
R' U' R
U y' L' U' L y' U R' U' R
U' R U' R U' L U L'
R U R' U R U R'
F R U R' U' F'
U' R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2
PLLSKIP

I didn't search for anything else yet, maybe I should


E2: got 6.82 on that solution
 
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sneaklyfox said:
Well, I have never liked the metronome, even in music though fortunately I don't have a problem keeping a steady beat... I just hate working with the thing... except I'm always telling my students to turn them on lol. Does that count as being hypocritical?
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Stating the obvious, you don't have to like something for it to be good for you :). I don't particularly enjoy metronome practice, I'm just annoyed that I'm no good at it, so force myself.

MarcelP said:
But if I turn slow I can look ahead better but it does not really help my times. If I turn real fast (which is not really that fast after all) I can still handle lookahead. So when turn fast I rarely hit sup 30. At slow turning I have many sup 30 solves. At turning fast 99% of my solves are sub 28.
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The key is to slow down just enough that you can eliminate pauses, but no more. If you slow down but still pause, that's not going to help. It's easy to work out how slow is too slow - aim for 4000/ao50 :). If that tells you 138bpm then it means if you slow smooth solve F2L slower than 138bpm your times will get worse, whether you pause or not, and whether you have the metronome on or not.

Another thing I tried was doing long sessions of random turns at my target bpm to get a feel for the pace and rhythm. Practising F2L metronome doesn't really give me that because I'm panicking to find pieces and that messes with the rhythm.

MarcelP said:
Anyone up for this game?
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Yeah :)
 
I had a few great solves today. My Moyu was doing it's magic again. A 16.11 full step solve...

24. 29.19 B2 R2 U2 L2 D2 B2 L2 U2 L2 U F2 R L D R2 B D2 L2 B' U L
25. 23.83 R2 U' L2 D R2 F2 R2 U L2 D2 F2 L D2 B' L F' L B2 U2 F' L' D'
26. 19.92 U' L2 U2 L2 F2 U' B2 D2 U' F2 U2 B' L F U F D F2 L2 D2 R'
27. 16.11 B2 R2 B2 L2 F2 L2 U R2 U2 B2 D' L' B2 U R D2 L' F' D' R2 U
28. 25.37 D' L2 U' R2 F2 R2 B2 U B2 U2 R L F' U L B2 L D F'
[video=youtube_share;E41xovQiwek]http://youtu.be/E41xovQiwek[/video]
 
Schmidt said:
Close up of Marcel's face


Just for fun. Tell me if you want it removed.
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LOL, nah, that's good stuff.. You can see the speed in my face.. ha ha ha

Username said:
Marcel, better update your signature with that full step 16 ;)

Also, at what time are you going to post results of the fastest fingers comp? I really want a new round lol
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Thanks, I did not realise I broke a PB (ON VIDEO!!) will update immediatly. Also, I will post a new scramble in a few minutes. And compile results later.
 
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