rowehessler
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Thank you David.A fine example to all. Well done Rowe.
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Thank you David.A fine example to all. Well done Rowe.
This. Why come out now, not a few years ago. If he came out a day after if happened I'd respect that, but I feel like Rowe is trying to prove something?Is this a guilty secret Rowe has been keeping all this time, or has there been some sort of revelation?
Exactly. In my eyes this is far worse than coming out back then. I've been at 2 comps with Rowe and he seems like a good guy... but this has kinda changed how I think of Rowe. At this stage, all coming out does is make people lose some respect for him.Edit: After reading your post, I feel better about you, I guess you were scared of the implications back then, but what about a year later, two years later. I'm shocked that it took you so long, however, props for atleast eventually telling the truth :tuWait what?So, not owning up to what you did until four years later means you face no consequences.Makes perfect sense...
For the record, my concern wasn't with Rowe, I understand how hard it must have been for him to come out with this knowing that he could be banned. My concern was with the WCA for not setting any consequences for what happened. I'm not even sure what I think anymore though.Tim Major said:Exactly. In my eyes this is far worse than coming out back then. I've been at 2 comps with Rowe and he seems like a good guy... but this has kinda changed how I think of Rowe. At this stage, all coming out does is make people lose some respect for him.
Kind of arbitrary, no? If he'd waited two years you could just as easily ask why not six months or one year. Yes, four years is a long time, but the fact is, it's always tough to admit something like this after the fact, no matter how long it's been. I don't think it's fair to criticize someone for not adhering to an arbitrary standard that you can't even be sure you'd follow if your situation was exactly the same.I guess you were scared of the implications back then, but what about a year later, two years later.
You moron. We don't have to and we won't have to if we don't want to, but we do. If you've got such a big problem with this, why don't you go to every competition he attends to make sure he doesn't get the same scramble twice?Also, how/why should we trust him in the future?
You moron. We don't have to and we won't have to if we don't want to, but we do. If you've got such a big problem with this, why don't you go to every competition he attends to make sure he doesn't get the same scramble twice?
Yes. I trust that Rowe will be responsible in the future. I believe most people share the same sentiments. So there, Rowe is responsible, just to get it out of the way. (Until he betrays our trust, if ever, what else is there to be said about his lack of responsibility? He's done the most responsible thing one could ask for. If it took four years, it took four years, are you gonna turn back time now and be less of a prick if he came clean earlier? We both know you aren't. If "this is far worse than coming out back then," why don't you propose something that isn't "far worse than coming out back then" that can actually be done right now? We both know you can't.) Everyone else is responsible and has always strove to be responsible to the best of her knowledge, since no one has been known to give him duplicate scrambles intentionally.It's not just my responsibility, it's everyone's. Rowe included.
Yes. I trust that Rowe will be responsible in the future. I believe most people share the same sentiments. So there, Rowe is responsible, just to get it out of the way. (Until he betrays our trust, if ever, what else is there to be said about his lack of responsibility? He's done the most responsible thing one could ask for. If it took four years, it took four years, are you gonna turn back time now and be less of a prick if he came clean earlier? We both know you aren't. If "this is far worse than coming out back then," why don't you propose something that isn't "far worse than coming out back then" that can actually be done right now? We both know you can't.) Everyone else is responsible and has always strove to be responsible to the best of her knowledge, since no one has been known to give him duplicate scrambles intentionally.
In your stupid head you're painting this cute little picture where people are "irresponsibly causing him to get undeserved times." WTF does that even mean? Now that this incident has come to light, people will be even more attentive when it comes to his scrambles if anything. You're insulting organizers, judges, scramblers, and pretty much the whole community by having to assert that "it's not just my responsibility, it's everyone's" -- are you insinuating that someone is being irresponsible here? Of course we know it's our responsibility, of course we strive to be as responsible as we can in the chaos of running a competition, your pompous remark adds nothing to what we already know, and is degrading by assuming we need to be told that. People like you insult what it means to be a community. Get out.
No, I'm not, i'm saying that it's everyone's responsibilty to be fair, not just mine, as it sounded like you said earlier. It was a general reminder to be responsible. Obviously people know that they should be responsible, even Rowe does, just a little bit later than others.
If people already know, why are you reminding them? Just drop it, try and show some empathy, regardless of what a younger version of yourself would've done in that situation.