US Nationals 2012 (Las Vegas)

Sa967St said:
Is it possible for someone to double-check my FMC solution? I'm almost certain I didn't DNF.

This was my solution (or at least that's what I'm almost certain I wrote down):

R' D F R B2 D L2 D F L2 F' L' F' L F' R F2 R' U' F U F' R F R' M D' F' D F D R' D' R M' F (38 moves)
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R'M 3HTM = r' 1HTM
RM' 3HTM = r 1HTM
4 moves saved... D:

cool solution tho
 
That70sShowDude said:
Strong Nationals preparation. Why would you introduce a new timer at an event like this and not test them out a lot? I hope they didn't ruin too many averages. People travel to this from other countries and can't even get reliable timers, lol.
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You think we didn't test out the timers? A small group of volunteers testing on their own time can't replicate the conditions of a large competition or what might happen if lots of different people hit the timers in lots of different ways. Plus, it's also possible Speedstacks simply sent us a bad batch.

Speedstacks is discontinuing the Gen 2 timers. We are just as displeased as you are that they are replacing it with an inferior product and that we don't have much of an alternative.
 
shelley said:
Speedstacks is discontinuing the Gen 2 timers. We are just as displeased as you are that they are replacing it with an inferior product and that we don't have much of an alternative.
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To be clear, SpeedStacks sent Gen 3 timers? Or their Pro Timers? I was pretty certain their Gen 3 timers didn't have a data port, and if they sent the Pro Timers, what makes them inferior?
 
We're using the Pro timers. It's not just that they don't stop. It's that they occasionally reset when they stop.
 
Ranzha V. Emodrach said:
That's awful =( Does this same thing happen in WSSA tournaments?
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We have no idea... the timing is really bad. Leading up to nationals, we were informed that we could no longer buy Gen2 timers. We were given sample Pro timers, and we sent them around the world for testing. People tested them on three different continents. But even so, there are only so many solves and tests that a single individual can do. A single person cannot simulate the variety of the different ways that people will stop the timer.

The entire issue is much larger than a simple "people traveled a long way and you guys are stupid for switching out the timers." Please be more considerate. We put a lot of thought into everything that goes on, and honestly, Mr. Kotch, I'll let you know right now that I don't think you'd be able to think on our level with a comment like that.
 
Ranzha V. Emodrach said:
How else can you test the timers for a competition this big of scale? There's only so much that can be done. This instance is unfortunate, but it's not as if there's anything much that can be done. D'you think it's feasible that the competitors would give their Gen 2 timers up to be used for official competition, that the organizers would have enough time to prove they're reliable, and still have enough time to finish today's or tomorrow's proceedings?
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Not only is it not feasible to expect competitors to give up their Gen 2 timers to be used for official competition, it could also possibly make the solves that are done on those timers invalid as they may not be genuine Speedstacks timers but fakes.
 
hcfong said:
Not only is it not feasible to expect competitors to give up their Gen 2 timers to be used for official competition, it could also possibly make the solves that are done on those timers invalid as they may not be genuine Speedstacks timers but fakes.
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This is what I was thinking as well.
Therefore, we must use what we have and find a better solution next time.
 
also

this may be a really stupid question...

...but what happened to the regular timers from the last US nationals?
 
I hope we find a better timing option in the future. I've had troubles in competition with the timer stopping just after I started the timer. After my average was ruined by DNFs, Breandan started and stopped the timer without touching the sensors. Fail.
 
shelley said:
You think we didn't test out the timers? A small group of volunteers testing on their own time can't replicate the conditions of a large competition or what might happen if lots of different people hit the timers in lots of different ways. Plus, it's also possible Speedstacks simply sent us a bad batch.

Speedstacks is discontinuing the Gen 2 timers. We are just as displeased as you are that they are replacing it with an inferior product and that we don't have much of an alternative.
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http://www.speedstacks.com/store3/retail/speed-stacks-stackademics-competitor/
 
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