3x3x3 relays as an official event?

[BlackStahli]

Yeah, so I think 3x3 relays should be a WCA event. My reasoning is that since there's a multi-bld event, why not have a 3x3 relay event?
My thoughts on if this really does become a WCA event:
Because inspection of the cubes to know what to do takes much less time than memorizing the cube in a multi-bld event, there should be some sort of bonus system that gives the competitor a better score when they bring more cubes. (Say, like -2 seconds for each cube the competitor uses)

By the way, I'm not completely serious about this idea. Sure, it may sound stupid to some, but I'm interested in what you guys think about this proposed event. I'm just bringing it up for open discussion, seeing if you guys would like to do relays in actual competitions.
I haven't seen any recent posts about this, so I thought I'd bring it up. Sorry if there is already D: I'm kinda new here, so yeah :/

 

[tx789]

will it have a set number of cub or be like multi bld

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

It's never a good idea to title a thread "WCA etc." then start the paragraph with "Yeah, so I think..", even if it is meant to be a discussion thread.

There's a one-handed 3x3 event too, should we table a proposal for one-footed 3x3? I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, I think having a 3x3 Relay event would be neat but you need a stronger case than that.

 

[TMOY]

Yeah, so I think 3x3 relays should be a WCA event. My reasoning is that since there's a multi-bld event, why not have a 3x3 relay event?

Well, you know, 3^3 mutiBLD is there because it requires additional skills compared to single BLD. On the contrary, everybody who can speedsolve one single cube can speedsolve as many as he wants in a row, and that kind of relay event would most probably just turn into a contest of how many cubes you can get your hands on...

 

[Skullush]

Idea, similar to multiBLD, time limit is 1 minute per cube, 10 minute cap. Interesting.

But the problem is, this is no difference in skills required from 3x3 speedsolve. The winner would be whoever is best at 3x3.

But then again, there is a difference between this and 3x3 speedsolve. Little inspection (relative to the number of cubes), having a constant 10-minute flow throughout the entire thing... Whether this difference is significant, however, I don't know.

 

[BlackStahli]

Well, for multi-BLD the competitor memorizes all the cubes at once, then solves them all at once, no pauses in between. For 3x3 relays, the competitor can be given a set amount of time to inspect each cube, and then solve them all at once. Some memorization would be crucial here for a fluid and fast solve, but mostly different from the kind used in BLD.

It's never a good idea to title a thread "WCA etc." then start the paragraph with "Yeah, so I think..", even if it is meant to be a discussion thread.

Yeah, sorry about that. I'm just afraid that all the members here that have been here for a long time might call me a noob, etc. because I really wasn't sure if this was already discussed among the cubing community before, and so I sound humble, not arrogant, since I probably am not the first one with the idea of making it an official event.

 

[jla]

Idea, similar to multiBLD, time limit is 1 minute per cube, 10 minute cap. Interesting.

But the problem is, this is no difference in skills required from 3x3 speedsolve. The winner would be whoever is best at 3x3.

But then again, there is a difference between this and 3x3 speedsolve. Little inspection (relative to the number of cubes), having a constant 10-minute flow throughout the entire thing... Whether this difference is significant, however, I don't know.

After reading this, I'm starting to get really interested...

 

[kinch2002]

Idea, similar to multiBLD, time limit is 1 minute per cube, 10 minute cap. Interesting.

Have you thought of the simple maths behind your figures? Some people would be bringing 60 3x3s to a competition. I thought bringing 20+ for multibld was bad enough

 

[BlackStahli]

Have you thought of the simple maths behind your figures? Some people would be bringing 60 3x3s to a competition. I thought bringing 20+ for multibld was bad enough

Ahaha. Really? 60? With the 10 minute cap, I doubt you can sub-10 each one with no pauses for 10 minutes straight , although Feliks can probably breeze through it easy.

 

[Kian]

The words "proposed" and "WCA" should be swapped. The meaning is entirely different.

On topic, this is silly. It is an event which tests no different skill from 3x3 speedsolve. I see no reason for it to be an official event.

 

[Ranzha]

The words "proposed" and "WCA" should be swapped. The meaning is entirely different.

On topic, this is silly. It is an event which tests no different skill from 3x3 speedsolve. I see no reason for it to be an official event.

I agree with you, but not because of a lack of new skills being introduced.
An analogy: 3x3 relays is to 3x3 speed as MBLD is to BLD. What skills does one possess to do MBLD and not BLD? The only logical thing I can deduce is sheer amount of information to process. This is the same for relays, except the memorisation portion doesn't come into play. Relays institute endurance and transition from cube to cube, something that does indeed cost time and can hinder focus.
The main reason I wish this not be added is that if the scoring system is like MBLD, the people with the fastest averages now will dominate over there too, invariably. Back to the 60 cubes argument, I'd guess 50, but it's still weird to see one competitor supplying 50 cubes for himself/herself.

EDIT: Also, what sets 3x3 relays at a higher significance to be added than any other proposed event (Skewb; Team BLDp; 2x2 BLD; Gigaminx blind, underwater, while skydiving, with one foot, in a dress; etc.)

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

2 people have now mentioned One Foot 3x3 solving. Can I make a thread now?

 

[Carson]

Would you want to scramble for this event?

 

[Skullush]

Would you want to scramble for this event?

There are lots of events that I wouldn't want to scramble for

 

[god of rubic 2]

Ahaha. Really? 60? With the 10 minute cap, I doubt you can sub-10 each one with no pauses for 10 minutes straight , although Feliks can probably breeze through it easy.

Feliks did a 42 cube marathon in 7:17 if I recall correctly at a meetup

 

[5BLD]

^And that's not sub-10. However I think it's fairly easily possible considering how little some have to plan in inspection. I doubt I would be able to do more than 10 solves in a row consistently sub-10, because I use a lot of my inspection time, but maybe for CFOP you use less...

On top of this, I think bringing the scale of number of 3x3s we would have to bring it's ridiculous...

But if we make it for say number of cubes in 1:30 then it's sorta reasonable.

2 people have now mentioned One Foot 3x3 solving. Can I make a thread now?

If you have techniques for it, go ahead.

 

[Noahaha]

I would rather see an event that requires different skills like a 2-5 relay. Then you see who's good at many events.

 

[ThomasJE]

I would rather see an event that requires different skills like a 2-5 relay. Then you see who's good at many events.

That would be better. Being good at 3x3 requires not nearlt as much skill as being good at lots of events. But, we have 2-4, 2-5, 2-6 and 2-7 relays. What one do we pick? 2-7 could be challenging to organise with the 10 minute Stackmat limit, while also timing inspection.

 

[RNewms27]

Ahaha. Really? 60? although Feliks can probably breeze through it easy.

That's the thing. Maybe a 2 minute limit would be suffice. At a rate of 6 cubes per minute for top cubers, there would be 12 solves. It still seems like a large amount, but it is better than 60. It is also nice to have an event that has each person complete the round in 2 minutes.

 

[cubenut99]

NO, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the 3x3 event?