Collection of letter pair lists

[uberCuber]

I don't know if this has been discussed very often, but I've recently been working on a letter pair system, but different from this. I do know it has been used by others before (like Kai Jiptner). Maybe somebody find this useful:

What I have done is I associated each letter with a category, and within each category I have associated each letter with a word that is related to that category. I think it's easier to create the images this way (I tried the 'normal' way before), and I have a lot of 'simple' images (short words that my imagination can work with, many distinctive features like sounds, smells and colors).

For example MT: M = for movies. T=Thing (from the Adams Family). So MT = Thing.

I had this same idea as well, but I never put the time into coming up with that many categories...sigh.

 

[Joël]

I had this same idea as well, but I never put the time into coming up with that many categories...sigh.

Comming up with the categories was quite easy actually. Some examples of categories I use:

Cars, Celebrities, Cubers, Food, Hostipal, Livingroom, Kitchen, Toys, Sports, Movies, Gadgets, Animals, Weapons etc. etc. (The categories starting with C all start with different letters in my language btw). Comming up with a word for each letter in each category was very time consuming, and now I have to drill all these images in my brain somehow.. That's also going to take some time, but I expect it to help a lot.

 

[Cubenovice]

now I have to drill all these images in my brain somehow.. That's also going to take some time, but I expect it to help a lot.

I found Anki a nice tool to train my list.
It was also usefull in ypdating the list (sometimes I would come up with new words on the spot and added them in right away)

 

[Joël]

I found Anki a nice tool to train my list.
It was also usefull in ypdating the list (sometimes I would come up with new words on the spot and added them in right away)

Thanks for the tip!

 

[Joël]

Hey guys,

I've been working on a letter pair list, and it's going quite well. The only problem is that I don't have a lot of time to work on it.

I had a little problem with remembering the images for some letter combinations. So I decided to use the same memo technique for memorizing cubes, for memorising the images. I have been creating an imaginary building to store the images in, and I must say that it's working quite well.

As I was working on creating my 'memory palace' something occured to me:

- Usually, persons stick quite well
- There are a lot of cool people that are nice for this system (celebrities, super-hero's, friends, cubers, you name it)
- There are also many objects that are nice for this system.
- There are somany nice potential images that I sometimes feel sad that I have to exclude certain images from my system.
- Creating a system with 24*24 images is quite intense, you have to spend a lot of time to create good images, and add elements to them that involve all your senses. It's time consuming, but it's doable.

So why not have 2 or 3 letter pair lists? 1 with only people, one with objects, and one with actions. This way you could use a Person-Action-(+ optionally object) type of method, that is very efficient (encode 4 or 6 letters in one person doing something). An advantage would be that you won't mix up the order of the images stored in a location. Did anyone try this before?

 

[Mike Hughey]

Did anyone try this before?

I suspect someone has, but I'm not sure. I think Mats Bergsten was talking about doing it, but I don't know if he ever did. I've wanted to do it as well, but have never gotten around to it. I suspect it would help a little, but after some experimentation, I decided the benefit was probably not enough to convince me to do the work. Yet. I may still do it someday; if someone else ever has big success with it, it may quickly change my mind.

I already use 3 images interacting with each other in any given location. Often I'll "modify" my image to turn it into a verb, so often I wind up with exactly what you're describing. I think the benefit to having three separate lists would probably actually be that I could then VERIFY order. Probably about 30% of my mistakes are due to recalling images at a location out of order; if I had three separate lists, I'd always know the order and would never make that mistake again. That would likely be the biggest benefit of using this approach.

The second biggest benefit would be that the variety of the images would increase, making it less likely to confuse them. This would be really helpful when doing really big BLD efforts (big multis or 8x8x8 or 9x9x9, etc.) or when doing lots of attempts in one day.

Oh, and I agree that persons stick well - I find that they almost always stick better than objects. I'm surprised by this - I wouldn't think it would be such a big difference, but I find that it is in practice.

I think you have many good observations here.

 

[Noahaha]

Why does everyone like to be so structured? I love making up rediculous things on the fly. Sometimes I memo edges in one 6 word long image. I sort of like the idea, but I never really saw the point of making lists. Maybe I work differently than most people, but I find that being creative will make me remember something better than if it's just a combination of prememorized things.

 

[Maskow]

- Creating a system with 24*24 images is quite intense, you have to spend a lot of time to create good images, and add elements to them that involve all your senses. It's time consuming, but it's doable.

22*20?
I never used letter pairs but I use something about it. I started to memorising cube with pairs 8 months ago and I still don't have perfect "list". I'm still changing what for me doesn't fit and perhaps at one time I will reach something what I will like.
The answer: yes, it needs time. So much time.

So why not have 2 or 3 letter pair lists? 1 with only people, one with objects, and one with actions. This way you could use a Person-Action-(+ optionally object) type of method, that is very efficient (encode 4 or 6 letters in one person doing something). An advantage would be that you won't mix up the order of the images stored in a location. Did anyone try this before?

I was thinking about it and maaany of my pairs (nearly all of them) have more than one 'word'. I use many different words for them. The fact: I had a problem with order. Now I don't have any. Never. It needed really hard training but one day this problem simply stopped appear (imagination, you must use your imagination to see good order!).
I use persons, objects, actions, verbs, adjevtives... In my opinion the key is in the DIFFERENT words to build with them ONE image. In MBLD one cube for me = 2 images, one for edges and one for corners (very rarely I need 2 images for edges). It's really important for me because if I remember first word from image I remember rest of them. And the most importarnt thing: I never verbalise the entire image. I verbalise only the words from cycle, I only "see" the rest.
My answer: So I think that three lists aren't bad (it's good!) but it isn't the best way. In my opinion best way is try to put as many pieces in one image as you can and don't being worry about order because this problem can be defeated by training.

The second biggest benefit would be that the variety of the images would increase, making it less likely to confuse them. This would be really helpful when doing really big BLD efforts (big multis or 8x8x8 or 9x9x9, etc.) or when doing lots of attempts in one day..

With many attempts in one day: the only thing that you need is more places in your memory palace. I use 48+1 places in this moment. Why 48+1? I memorise cubes in sets of 8 cubes in 8 places (these places have something shared with themselves) so I have 6*8 and 1 for last cube. Memorising 25 I can use first 24 places +1 or second 24 places +1 or places 9-32 +1 and it doesn't do me any difference. It's very helpful. When I did 3 attempts in one competition I had only 33 places and it was a problem

Why does everyone like to be so structured? I love making up rediculous things on the fly. Sometimes I memo edges in one 6 word long image. I sort of like the idea, but I never really saw the point of making lists. Maybe I work differently than most people, but I find that being creative will make me remember something better than if it's just a combination of prememorized things.

I wanted to have very structured system. It was bad way for me. I don't have one list, only associations. Now I'm free and happy. Memorisation is just fun. I love it


PS. Is it possible to understand what I tried to say? (I'm fighting with my English )

 

[Noahaha]

22*20?
I wanted to have very structured system. It was bad way for me. I don't have one list, only associations. Now I'm free and happy. Memorisation is just fun. I love it

PS. Is it possible to understand what I tried to say? (I'm fighting with my English )

I'm glad we do it similarly. Your English is very good.

 

[AbstractAlg]

Creating on the fly, combining 6 letters in one word (image) is good. When I get 2 letters and I can't combine them I see next two and try to combine all four and if that four aren't easy I combine 6 letters in one word (not image) and destroys my memo badly because it takes a lot of time while trying to find some word three times.

My list also has multiple choices (somebody, verb, object, adjective) and order helps when recalling to know what comes first what after, but I use my list not as fully structured system, I read words from list so it could help me during memo to think of some word faster. So list is there to remind me what all words exist and what can I use but I rarely use the exact word from the list. It's another thing that you get used to some words from list and use them for memo, it became your habit, but for me list is just another helpful resource for thinking of words during memo.

And to answer the topic's current main problem, making verb+noun+object+... list can be very useful and it really helps when determining the order of pieces, it's a lot of work, but I think it will pay off later.

All the stuff when cubing, new memo system, word list, algorithms, you know they are hard and consuming at the beginning but they become very natural and get into your habit after a while and if it could help, then why not try it?

I wrote this in a bit confusing way, hope you understand it.

 

[Joël]

I already use 3 images interacting with each other in any given location. Often I'll "modify" my image to turn it into a verb, so often I wind up with exactly what you're describing. I think the benefit to having three separate lists would probably actually be that I could then VERIFY order. Probably about 30% of my mistakes are due to recalling images at a location out of order; if I had three separate lists, I'd always know the order and would never make that mistake again. That would likely be the biggest benefit of using this approach.

That's one of the reasons I thought of this. I only started creating a list of images a week or two ago, and I've tried a few solves (sometimes looking up the images on my list), and I found that a lot of times I hate that I have to put them in some kind of logical order.

Why does everyone like to be so structured? I love making up rediculous things on the fly. Sometimes I memo edges in one 6 word long image. I sort of like the idea, but I never really saw the point of making lists. Maybe I work differently than most people, but I find that being creative will make me remember something better than if it's just a combination of prememorized things.

I think if the images are good, you can still think of creative ways to have the images interact with each other. That is something I could come up with 'on the fly'. Comming up with images on the fly is hard for me. I like the idea of always being able to have an image available, because I don't want to think too much.

22*20?

Yes, 24*24. I use all my letters, because the lettering scheme of corners and edges is linked, and the buffers are FD and LBU. Also, I like having images for flipped edges (I regard them as a 2 cycle of stickers), and I like to have an image for a single piece/sticker (last corner or edge in case of parity). For 'A' I will use the image that I have for AA.

 

[cubemaste r]

help choosing letter pairs

Every time I make a sentence with letter pairs the sentence isn't good for example the lest sentance i had was:

JeT EKo SeVen FaLLs XP.

i manged to to 3BLD with those bad sentences but now i want to start doing 4BLD and i need better sentences for my images.

how do i find the best letter pairs ?

 

[cubemaste r]

Every time I make a sentence with letter pairs the sentence isn't good for example the lest sentance i had was:

JeT EKo SeVen FaLLs XP.

i manged to to 3BLD with those bad sentences but now i want to start doing 4BLD and i need better sentences for my images.

how do i find the best letter pairs ?

bump

 

[KongShou]

bump

Same problem, I suggest looking at ollies thread on how to memo.

 

[cubemaste r]

Same problem, I suggest looking at ollies thread on how to memo.

i can't find it, can you link me?

 

[KongShou]

i can't find it, can you link me?

On my phone so I can't sorry. Search for how to memo.

 

[Tao Yu]

Every time I make a sentence with letter pairs the sentence isn't good for example the lest sentance i had was:

JeT EKo SeVen FaLLs XP.

i manged to to 3BLD with those bad sentences but now i want to start doing 4BLD and i need better sentences for my images.

how do i find the best letter pairs ?

Learn to use regexdict (http://www.visca.com/regexdict/)

Simple Usage: to find words for a letter pair XY, enter "^x.*y" (without quotes) into the "String" box, and then press search. It will list all words that start with an X and have a Y somewhere in it.

Advanced Usage: Learn regular expressions.

That's how I find letter pairs anyway. Of course sometimes it's better to make them up yourself.

 

[Jander Clerix]

Wow that's a really usefull site

 

[cubemaste r]

Learn to use regexdict (http://www.visca.com/regexdict/)

Simple Usage: to find words for a letter pair XY, enter "^x.*y" (without quotes) into the "String" box, and then press search. It will list all words that start with an X and have a Y somewhere in it.

Advanced Usage: Learn regular expressions.

That's how I find letter pairs anyway. Of course sometimes it's better to make them up yourself.

so many words... this will really help me

 

[Rainbow Flash]

Blindfold Letter Pairs: Looking for Examples

Hi guys,

I am new to the world of blind solving. Even though I have not yet solved a cube blindfolded, I have already slightly customised the Old Pochmann method.

Anyway, I remember my edge letter pairs with words, images, and sounds. Here are some examples:

YB - yellow banana (I don't really like this one...)
BY - Dubai
YR - Ayre's Rock
RY - Roy (I don't like this either...)
YG - yoghurt
GY - guy
YO - "Yo!"
OY - "Oy!"
BR - Brunei
RB - rainbow
GR - Gungor (a band)
RG - (these are the initials of a friend)
GO - goat (pathetic...)
OG - ogre
BO - little Bo Beep (this one is especially easy to remember...)
OB - oboe
WB - wrist band
BW - black & white (I want a noun...)
WR - world records
RW - Rowan Atkinson
WG - Winnipeg
GW - Greenwich
WO - Wollongong
OW - Oklahoma

So, all I am asking is for some (better) example words that you use to remember letter pairs.

Thanks in advance,
Rainbow Flash