!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we are going to make these comparisons, shouldn't they be like this:

Corners First = DOS. Hardly used anymore and those who still use it are veterans that know there are better systems around. However, after using a system that you know inside-out for so long it is hard to leave it.
Layer-by-layer / Beginners = Windows 95. Old system, was used by many people. It wasn't very advanced, but it was easy to use and some slight improvements were added later that made it a little better
Keyhole + 4 look last layer = Windows 2000. An improvement that could be used to get a much better understanding of the system, but most people just skipped this and went straight to....
Fridrich = Windows XP. Used now by most people, pretty fast, nice and compatible upgrade from previous systems. It has been around for a while and almost all flaws have been ironed out. However there are some fundamental problems that most people don't see but are well known by others.
ZBF2L + ZBLL = Vista. Better in theory, but requires more resources and isn't as well supported. Some people are making the switch, others that have made the switch return to their previous system.
Petrus = MacOS. It has gone through several several changes, but lately more and more people are making the switch and getting good results. It has a very solid base and is very optimised for the type of hardware it is run on. For some reason many of its users are a bit fanatical and try to convince others how perfect their system is.
Roux = Linux. It is new and has lots of potential, but not a lot of info is available. Sometimes you meet a user and they are always enthousiastic about their system and they tell you about all the freedom of use and different tricks they found. The system is still under high development and its founder is a big advocate in the community.
Heise = Linux from scratch. Extremely optimised, but using it requires huge amounts of dedication. Everyone questions its usefulness, but everytime you see it in action you are impressed.
 
Are corners-first methods really bad? I know they're unpopular, but in terms of move count I thought they were respectable, and possible to get good at with practice.
 
AvGalen said:
If we are going to make these comparisons, shouldn't they be like this:

Corners First = DOS. Hardly used anymore and those who still use it are veterans that know there are better systems around. However, after using a system that you know inside-out for so long it is hard to leave it.
Layer-by-layer / Beginners = Windows 95. Old system, was used by many people. It wasn't very advanced, but it was easy to use and some slight improvements were added later that made it a little better
Keyhole + 4 look last layer = Windows 2000. An improvement that could be used to get a much better understanding of the system, but most people just skipped this and went straight to....
Fridrich = Windows XP. Used now by most people, pretty fast, nice and compatible upgrade from previous systems. It has been around for a while and almost all flaws have been ironed out. However there are some fundamental problems that most people don't see but are well known by others.
ZBF2L + ZBLL = Vista. Better in theory, but requires more resources and isn't as well supported. Some people are making the switch, others that have made the switch return to their previous system.
Petrus = MacOS. It has gone through several several changes, but lately more and more people are making the switch and getting good results. It has a very solid base and is very optimised for the type of hardware it is run on. For some reason many of its users are a bit fanatical and try to convince others how perfect their system is.
Roux = Linux. It is new and has lots of potential, but not a lot of info is available. Sometimes you meet a user and they are always enthousiastic about their system and they tell you about all the freedom of use and different tricks they found. The system is still under high development and its founder is a big advocate in the community.
Heise = Linux from scratch. Extremely optimised, but using it requires huge amounts of dedication. Everyone questions its usefulness, but everytime you see it in action you are impressed.
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:D
Maybe Heise could be FreeBSD?
 
AvGalen said:
If we are going to make these comparisons, shouldn't they be like this:

Corners First = DOS. Hardly used anymore and those who still use it are veterans that know there are better systems around. However, after using a system that you know inside-out for so long it is hard to leave it.
Layer-by-layer / Beginners = Windows 95. Old system, was used by many people. It wasn't very advanced, but it was easy to use and some slight improvements were added later that made it a little better
Keyhole + 4 look last layer = Windows 2000. An improvement that could be used to get a much better understanding of the system, but most people just skipped this and went straight to....
Fridrich = Windows XP. Used now by most people, pretty fast, nice and compatible upgrade from previous systems. It has been around for a while and almost all flaws have been ironed out. However there are some fundamental problems that most people don't see but are well known by others.
ZBF2L + ZBLL = Vista. Better in theory, but requires more resources and isn't as well supported. Some people are making the switch, others that have made the switch return to their previous system.
Petrus = MacOS. It has gone through several several changes, but lately more and more people are making the switch and getting good results. It has a very solid base and is very optimised for the type of hardware it is run on. For some reason many of its users are a bit fanatical and try to convince others how perfect their system is.
Roux = Linux. It is new and has lots of potential, but not a lot of info is available. Sometimes you meet a user and they are always enthousiastic about their system and they tell you about all the freedom of use and different tricks they found. The system is still under high development and its founder is a big advocate in the community.
Heise = Linux from scratch. Extremely optimised, but using it requires huge amounts of dedication. Everyone questions its usefulness, but everytime you see it in action you are impressed.
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Great work there! Exactly how I see it as well. Its funny because its all true. Although I disagree with one single thing... Linux is not new :) I think we are actually about to uncover evidence of dinosaurs using Unix based system anytime now. But the rest about it is exactly true :p

And I use both WinXP and Fridrich :p (Actually I was just using Vista but last saturday I rolled back to my preciousssss)
 
Ooh, is blindsolving command-line work? There are many different methods, just as you can delve into the command line in any operating system. Solves cubes using very basic functions, requires a thorough understanding of how the cube/system works, and most importantly, it's all done without the benefit of a pretty GUI.
 
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shelley said:
Ooh, is blindsolving command-line work? Solving using basic functions, requires a thorough understanding of how the cube/system works, and it's all done without the benefit of a pretty GUI.
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well DOS is kind of command line work. Was there anything before DOS? rofl
 
shelley said:
Ooh, is blindsolving command-line work? There are many different methods, just as you can delve into the command line in any operating system. Solves cubes using very basic functions, requires a thorough understanding of how the cube/system works, and most importantly, it's all done without the benefit of a pretty GUI.
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Nice analogy, but I think blindsolving is more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programming_in_the_punch_card_era
You analyze the problem, think about your approach, generate a set of instructions which get executed (hopefully correctly) and only if everything was done perfectly do you get the required result. Otherwise you DNF

(and Unix is not Linux. Compared to Dos/Windows/MacOS Linux is new)
 
AvGalen said:
shelley said:
Ooh, is blindsolving command-line work? There are many different methods, just as you can delve into the command line in any operating system. Solves cubes using very basic functions, requires a thorough understanding of how the cube/system works, and most importantly, it's all done without the benefit of a pretty GUI.
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Nice analogy, but I think blindsolving is more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programming_in_the_punch_card_era
You analyze the problem, think about your approach, generate a set of instructions which get executed (hopefully correctly) and only if everything was done perfectly do you get the required result. Otherwise you DNF

(and Unix is not Linux. Compared to Dos/Windows/MacOS Linux is new)
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hahaha!
 
AvGalen said:
shelley said:
Ooh, is blindsolving command-line work? There are many different methods, just as you can delve into the command line in any operating system. Solves cubes using very basic functions, requires a thorough understanding of how the cube/system works, and most importantly, it's all done without the benefit of a pretty GUI.
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Nice analogy, but I think blindsolving is more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programming_in_the_punch_card_era
You analyze the problem, think about your approach, generate a set of instructions which get executed (hopefully correctly) and only if everything was done perfectly do you get the required result. Otherwise you DNF

(and Unix is not Linux. Compared to Dos/Windows/MacOS Linux is new)
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Yay! I like yours better.
 
Hi :-)

Most users prefer Friedrich beacause there is tons of good websites for it, and it has an extremely impressive track record. For same reason (?) Windows is by far most popular. One could also say there's a similarity between the vast choice of algs (Oll and Pll for instance) for friedrich and the vast choice of software for Windows. That is not to say that Linux does not have adequate software for everything :D

As i still use LBL for 3x3x3 speed i should probably be running an Atari or something :-P (I'm on XP by the way ... )

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Calling speedcubers users is a deliberate pun ...
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-Per
 
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