US Nationals 2013 [Cancelled]

[drewsopchak]

You would be wrong about that.

Compelling argument! And isn't The position held by Tyson Chairman of the Board? Am I missing something? Name calling... ?

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

Compelling argument! And isn't The position held by Tyson Chairman of the Board? Am I missing something? Name calling... ?

The tone of your post was rather... ambiguous. Also, perhaps you should just take the word of somebody who actually would know about the situation, rather than making sarcastic comments about their statements. The WCA isn't exactly rolling in money.

 

[shelley]

It's no less compelling than yours. But unlike you, I actually know the numbers involved.

 

[Tyson]

I took Tyson's statement out of context. Mea Culpa. However, I'm fairly certain that the small fortune of registration fees are more than enough to cover a New York Venue.

Would you care to do an estimate to support your assumption that the money from registration fees could cover an event in New York? The amount of money raised from registration fees I would think that anyone could estimate to within a factor of two. For the amount it would cost for a venue, I would recommend calling a place or two to get a price quote.

Compelling argument! And isn't The position held by Tyson Chairman of the Board? Am I missing something? Name calling... ?

Seriously, it's really silly for you to argue something without numbers when the numbers are available. Do some estimates, and if you want to make an assumption, back it up with data. Otherwise, you're just pulling claims from out of thin air. If you feel that this is doable in New York, I'll look into it if you provide enough evidence to make it worthwhile to look into.

Or, if you want, I would work with Bob and Tim, and you can hold Nationals 2013 in New York.

 

[drewsopchak]

It's no less compelling than yours. But unlike you, I actually know the numbers involved.

Care to share?

 

[Tyson]

Care to share?

Second request, please give us your analysis on why you think money from registration fees could support the cost of an event in New York. We have the numbers in terms of how much registration fees brought in for our 2011 event. What we don't have is the number of how much it would cost to host an event in New York City. Why don't you provide us with an estimate on the venue cost in New York City, because you seem so confident, I'd imagine you know this number already.

 

[drewsopchak]

we don't have is the number of how much it would cost to host an event in New York City.

New York is out of the question? If you haven't got and estimates, on what basis can you rule out NYC? Shelley knows the numbers so i recommend asking her.
Considering the size of the city, and wide range of venues, I feel that the burden is upon you to rule it out.

 

[shelley]

Tyson and I both know the numbers. That's not the point. You made this claim:

However, I'm fairly certain that the small fortune of registration fees are more than enough to cover a New York Venue.

I believe the burden is on you to back up that statement.

 

[Tyson]

New York is out of the question? If you haven't got and estimates, on what basis can you rule out NYC? Shelley knows the numbers so i recommend asking her.
Considering the size of the city, and wide range of venues, I feel that the burden is upon you to rule it out.

I am asking you to verify the following claim:

I took Tyson's statement out of context. Mea Culpa. However, I'm fairly certain that the small fortune of registration fees are more than enough to cover a New York Venue.

It's not my burden to do anything. I made the decision not to bother evaluating New York City for an event like this, and so I have invested resources into other more promising places. If you want us to evaluate New York City, it's your burden to back up your claim.

 

[a small kitten]

He wanted you to evaluate New York City's venues (as in find actual costs), not multiply what you think the entry fee is with what you think the attendance will be.

 

[Divineskulls]

While I'd love to have nationals in NY, I agree with pretty much everyone besides Drew. It'd be way too expensive to hold it in the city. However, I'm kind of considering emailing or calling some of the bigger hotels to find a quote. Tyson, would it be cool if I did this? I live a few hours from the city, but I could easily help organize it. I also think Philly would be a cool idea, I can look at hotels there too. Sorry if I'm being a little forward. :/

 

[shelley]

1. More than 350, really? How can you be so sure of that? Even the last World Championships had fewer than 300 competitors.

2. Your estimate of registration fee revenue is over 3 times as high as the actual number we brought in in 2011.

3. You didn't provide the answer to the other half of the question, which is an estimate of venue cost in NYC.

 

[shelley]

While I'd love to have nationals in NY, I agree with pretty much everyone besides Drew. It'd be way too expensive to hold it in the city. However, I'm kind of considering emailing or calling some of the bigger hotels to find a quote. Tyson, would it be cool if I did this? I live a few hours from the city, but I could easily help organize it. I also think Philly would be a cool idea, I can look at hotels there too. Sorry if I'm being a little forward. :/

Can't hurt to get a quote. Let us know if you find anything we could use.

 

[drewsopchak]

1. More than 350, really? How can you be so sure of that? Even the last World Championships had fewer than 300 competitors.

2. Your estimate of registration fee revenue is over 3 times as high as the actual number we brought in in 2011.

3. You didn't provide the answer to the other half of the question, which is an estimate of venue cost in NYC.

What was brought in in 2011? I simply don't think we should rule out a city that is near more cubers than pretty much any other major American City without some evaluation.

 

[Tyson]

While I'd love to have nationals in NY, I agree with pretty much everyone besides Drew. It'd be way too expensive to hold it in the city. However, I'm kind of considering emailing or calling some of the bigger hotels to find a quote. Tyson, would it be cool if I did this? I live a few hours from the city, but I could easily help organize it. I also think Philly would be a cool idea, I can look at hotels there too. Sorry if I'm being a little forward. :/

Nick,

No, that would actually be great. Feel free to contact hotels. Let me know if you want any guidance, or someone to read over the e-mail that you plan to send. I can help you pinpoint the relevant information to present to these hotels.

That being said, let's say for some reason you found a venue of equal quality and equal price to what we could get elsewhere. (Unlikely, but let's just pretend.) You would have to find a reasonable hotel rate to go along with it, because hotels in NYC are simply ridiculously expensive.

-Tyson

 

[Divineskulls]

Nick,

No, that would actually be great. Feel free to contact hotels. Let me know if you want any guidance, or someone to read over the e-mail that you plan to send. I can help you pinpoint the relevant information to present to these hotels.

That being said, let's say for some reason you found a venue of equal quality and equal price to what we could get elsewhere. (Unlikely, but let's just pretend.) You would have to find a reasonable hotel rate to go along with it, because hotels in NYC are simply ridiculously expensive.

-Tyson

Ahh, I forgot to factor in room prices into what I was thinking. I think I'll just stick with Philly then, the rooms are bound to be cheaper than NYC. I'll research some of the bigger Philly hotels and PM you with a draft of the email or two over the next week. Thanks for replying, Tyson and Shelley!

 

[Bob]

Just to give a basic idea...

Here is a lovely room that is 10% of the size of the space we will have at the Riviera. 88 person capacity, $600/hr. Registration fees MIGHT be able to cover one day of this venue. Did I mention it's only 10% of the size we're renting at the Riviera? This is typical of what you can expect when looking for venues in New York City. I've tried. I live only 20 minutes away from NYC. If you can find something, we'll look into it, but I don't think you can.

http://www.evenues.com/meeting-space/love-theatre-New-York/2496

 

[Carson]

Chiming in a little late, but:

I would highly recommend avoiding D.C. Hotels are extremely expensive anywhere near the city. For anyone driving (which I assume would be a fair number of people considering the number of cubers within driving distance) the roads are confusing and parking anywhere downtown is an absolute nightmare. I ended up ~10 miles from my intended destination last summer because I couldn't find a place to turn around. At one point, I believe my GPS began crying.

 

[Kian]

What was brought in in 2011? I simply don't think we should rule out a city that is near more cubers than pretty much any other major American City without some evaluation.

We are not a bunch of incompetent fools. We evaluate quite a bit when we consider where one of the most popular tournaments in the world is held. You cannot imagine how many emails we exchange almost literally every day in preparation for a tournament which will be held more than a year from now. Nobody makes a dime off it and everybody spends countless hours preparing, nevermind the time spent actually running the competition so that it is excellent every year.

You are not (and will not be) privy to the numbers but be sure that you are unbelievably far off in estimating how much we take in and how much we need for the event. We get the best venue we can with the money we work hard to raise through both registration fees and sponsorships. When Shelley tells you the money isn't there, it's not. This is not up for debate.

You'll have to excuse my tone if it sounds a bit condescending or rough, but the attitude you displayed is not new (or unique to only you) and cubers should really understand what goes into this before they flippantly suggest we are incompetent or dismiss what we have to say. The tournament is great every year because the organizers/staff do the work to make it great. You should be thankful that you are afforded such an opportunity yearly.

 

[RaresB]

We are not a bunch of incompetent fools. We evaluate quite a bit when we consider where one of the most popular tournaments in the world is held. You cannot imagine how many emails we exchange almost literally every day in preparation for a tournament which will be held more than a year from now. Nobody makes a dime off it and everybody spends countless hours preparing, nevermind the time spent actually running the competition so that it is excellent every year.

You are not (and will not be) privy to the numbers but be sure that you are unbelievably far off in estimating how much we take in and how much we need for the event. We get the best venue we can with the money we work hard to raise through both registration fees and sponsorships. When Shelley tells you the money isn't there, it's not. This is not up for debate.

You'll have to excuse my tone if it sounds a bit condescending or rough, but the attitude you displayed is not new (or unique to only you) and cubers should really understand what goes into this before they flippantly suggest we are incompetent or dismiss what we have to say. The tournament is great every year because the organizers/staff do the work to make it great. You should be thankful that you are afforded such an opportunity yearly.

Sometimes it's hard to appreciate something until you actually try doing, fr the experience I have in organizing various school events I can tell people that it is very very very time consuming, sometimes it's nit worth it but in the end it is awesome seeing everything run smoothly and people being happy. You should increase registration and give the organizers a cut