Sebastián Pino Castillo Clock WRs Invalid

[Jungleterrain]

This thread is pretty entertaining.

 

[tehmaxice]

Well, this is exactly the point I'm trying to make.

We tend to label some things (like a a round number, say 100000, or a particulary good scramble)
nice or special, and that when we apply randomness to generate things they should not look
nice.

1,2,3,4,5,6. That doesn't look random, that looks special.
It's just the notion that 'special' srambles can't be random, though I cannot see why they couldn't be.

 

[qqwref]

I generated 100 numbers (pseudorandom, but nevertheless) and the chance of
getting exactly these numbers is 1 to 10^100. But I still got them.

I don't think you should be talking about probability if you don't understand it (I'll rephrase: the Clock scrambles were all good in a very specific way, which is well-known by Clock solvers to save moves and time, so this isn't a case of "these specific scrambles are unlikely", it's a case of "this average is easier than the vast vast majority would be".)

PS: if you used a PRNG, the chance is actually (probably) much less than 10^100. There are generally much less than 10^100 possible seeds. So for instance, if your program happened to use a 32-bit seed, there are 2^32 or about 4.3 billion (= 10^9.6329...) possible 100-number sequences that could be generated, and the chance of that particular one is only 1 in 4.3 billion

 

[tehmaxice]

I don't think you should be talking about probability if you don't understand it

I might have made a poor analogy, and I'll certainly agree that I don't know too much about statistics.
Is it truly impossible to get the scrambles Pino had on his wr avg out of the 'random' WCA generator?
Because if it's not, then the scrambles are not too lucky to be random (perhaps just incredibly unlikely). Do you agree?

 

[Stefan]

Is it truly impossible to get the scrambles Pino had on his wr avg out of the 'random' WCA generator?

No, and nobody claimed that.

 

[RyanReese09]

Daniel has already mentioned that more proof, than just this probability, arose.

 

[tehmaxice]

No, and nobody claimed that.

Ehm, then I really misinterpreted the message from IAC thad Anders posted, and apoligize if I did so.

 

[tehmaxice]

Daniel has already mentioned that more proof, than just this probability, arose.

Oh, I'm not questioning the validity of the suspension, just that one statement about scrambles beeing 'too lucky'.

edit: slight change of words

 

[Stefan]

Daniel has already mentioned that more proof, than just this probability, arose.

Where? Here?

Don't worry, there was other evidence

I don't like such exaggeration.

 

[RyanReese09]

Where? Here?

Yes.

Don't worry, there was other evidence

 

[Stefan]

Looks like you missed the point.

 

[RyanReese09]

Looks like you missed the point.

No, I didn't miss the point.

 

[Nestor]

Due to the development in the case, the IAC has decided to make a statement (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=940&p=5238#p5238)

/Anders

I would love to see the email that Sebastian wrote to the WCA confessing.

So much fuzz over lol_CLOCK_lol

 

[AustinReed]

So much fuzz over lol_CLOCK_lol

It's still an official event.

 

[macky]

Well now I just look silly ;_;

But it's as much this stuff as your speedcubing theory contributions that we love you for. I'm a fan.

[edit]
http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/Thom_Barlow

 

[Kirjava]

Well, now I *am* flattered.

 

[Sebastien]

No, I didn't miss the point.

dude, stop failing....evidence <> proof

 

[Stefan]

No, I didn't miss the point.

Then your reply makes no sense. Why did you just post Daniel's quote that I had posted already? And why did you do *that* instead of commenting on the actual issue, that you were wrong and the quote shows it?

 

[Pedro]

I would love to see the email that Sebastian wrote to the WCA confessing.

So much fuzz over lol_CLOCK_lol

The fuzz is not over clock, is about cheating, no matter the event.

 

[irontwig]

The same would apply to scrambles. When I use a scrambler, the odds of getting a regular scramble is the same as getting a "nice" scramble.

lolno.