I still don't get intuitive F2L, help.

[TK 421]

I can do OLL and PLL (full, practicing lookahead). But the F2L is adding time to my solves. Help?

 

[nathanajah]

errr... the P word?
How much solve do you do everyday?

 

[Toad]

You could always try a different method...

 

[PhillipEspinoza]

Try starting from a solved position and do simple moves like (R U' R' U) a couple times. Once at first. Now look at the position of the edge and the corner. Now, do the reverse move (U' R U R'). Go back again and take note of how exactly the corner and edge are positioned with each other. Also, take note of how they are positioned individually (notice how the corner has the top color facing you and the respective edge is positioned with the color matching the face it's on). Keep doing this, increasing the amount of times you do it each time. Do it twice, take note, then reverse into solved F2L state. Repeat. Do it three times and notice what it does to the cube.

General rule to learn other F2L algs: Take something out and put it back in.

 

[DemotioN]

Keep practising, worry about F2L before OLL and PLL

 

[TK 421]

errr... the P word?
How much solve do you do everyday?

50, why?

 

[bluedasher]

errr... the P word?
How much solve do you do everyday?

50, why?

well, the more practice you get at it the better you become. I don't know how long you have been practicing, but I would wait until you get in at least 2 weeks of practice before you rule out Fridrich. However, if you do still struggle with Fridrich after 2 weeks try Petrus or Roux. It took me 3 weeks of vigorous practice before I was getting my normal times with the Fridrich method. Know im averaging around 23-25 seconds with this method. Definitely practice F2L before OLL and PLL. F2L is key to your solves at the moment.:tu

 

[Kirjava]

LEARN IT ALGORITHMATICALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[irontwig]

Learn to do it optimally, should take you 15 or so moves.

 

[TK 421]

LEARN IT ALGORITHMATICALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

can't remember all of F2L algs from cubestation. I can ONLY do LL algs.

 

[flan]

I learned all those algs. They wern't intuitive at the time so it was very hard. Harder than 2LOLL + PLL

 

[AngeL]

Did you watch Badmephisto's intuitive F2L tutorial? If not, go do so immediately.

Basically, there are only 3 cases you have to learn, and a couple of tricks you can use to get any possible state into one of these 3 cases.

It's "Intuitive" for a reason. To get better at it, you need to actually LOOK at the pieces while solving, and try to understand what is happening to the cube when you do the moves you're doing. Intuitive F2L is actually incredibly simple once you understand exactly what it is that's going on.

 

[Cubenovice]

Just practice very slowly and try to understand what you are doing.
All cases can be reduced to two basic cases:

1
Goal of your intuitive moves is to create a direct pair like this:

Then insert any way you like


2
Goal of your intuitive moves is to create an "indirect" pair like this:

Corner and edge only become a pair during the actual insertion, in the above example during R U R'
Note that edge and corner have different colors on the U face.

Ofcourse you also use mirrors of these.

Then lateron for some less-intuitive or bad cases learn the algs.

 

[frogmanson]

To be honest, I think algorithms for F2l are better. People say and recommend intuitive because its faster to learn. Algorithms for F2L should for the most part be more optimal and faster than the intuitive F2l you find out for yourself when your a beginner. In any case just take a look at the algorithms and you'll get the intuition down.

 

[cyoubx]

To be honest, I think algorithms for F2l are better. People say and recommend intuitive because its faster to learn. Algorithms for F2L should for the most part be more optimal and faster than the intuitive F2l you find out for yourself when your a beginner. In any case just take a look at the algorithms and you'll get the intuition down.

I suppose that depends on your intuition. For me, my intuitive algorithms were pretty much identical to the algorithmic counterparts sans the "special cases." I find intuitive much more rewarding and it adds to the overall understanding of the cube.

 

[Argothman]

I don't see how intuitive would ever beat memorized algorithms for pure time. I don't want to just take the easy way out.

Any thoughts?

 

[Ranzha]

I don't see how intuitive would ever beat memorized algorithms for pure time. I don't want to just take the easy way out.

Any thoughts?

The intuitive execution becomes learning algorithms. You're just using no "cheat sheet" to learn algs--you're making them up as you go along, and soon enough, you recognise a case, and it's like clockwork.

 

[Argothman]

I don't see how intuitive would ever beat memorized algorithms for pure time. I don't want to just take the easy way out.

Any thoughts?

The intuitive execution becomes learning algorithms. You're just using no "cheat sheet" to learn algs--you're making them up as you go along, and soon enough, you recognise a case, and it's like clockwork.

That is true, and learning it intuitively does seem better to start with, but if one can see a pair in a instant and use a memorized algorithm one can save time.

 

[PhillipEspinoza]

I disagree with what people are saying on here. Learn intuitive F2L if you can. It gives you a better understanding of the cube and it also helps increase your F2L speed. In no way has my speed been diminished because I learned it intuitively rather than algorithmically. I learned F2L intuitively and I feel like F2L is one of my strongest points for cubing. Just do what I suggested in my first post.

 

[IamWEB]

If you can't seem to get intuitive F2L, learn algorithms. By paying attention, over time you'll have to get the basics. For advanced algs, ask Weston.