Which method route would be most advisable?

[DAE_JA_VOO]

How's it guys. I started cubing about 8 weeks ago, using LBL. At the moment i'm busy practicing intuitive F2L to get faster at it, and while i'm at it, i'm teaching myself 2 look OLL. I know all the algs for 2 look OLL, i just want to get really fast at them. Once i'm fast at intuitive F2L and 2 look OLL, i want to start studying all the PLLs. Once i know all the PLLs i plan on studying all the OLLS.

Do you think this is a good method to take if i want to eventually be doing sub-20 times?

 

[itdemo]

yes. You (if you keep practicing) could get sub 20. I am at the moment doing the same as you but i know from watching vids and looking at forums that with what you plan to do that will be easily accomplished. So at the moment all you can really do is Ahem. Practice... Practice and More Practice.
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[DAE_JA_VOO]

Cool, thanks man

Should i do 2 part PLL like you or should i just do all the PLLs at once?

By the way, where did you learn the 2 part PLL? Link?

 

[itdemo]

Well i am learning all the pll's at the mo and i think that is what you shud do. To be honest the 2-part PLL did not take that much time off my solves but even though i do not know all the pll's already the ones i do know are helping me out loads but if you want to do 2-part here is the link to 2-part PLL that i did
http://www.cubewhiz.com/pll.html
learn nums. 21, 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 (you may already know different algs for 6 and 7 if so just use the ones you know) and what you do is first solve the edges using 4, 5, 6, 7 and then the corners using 1, 2 and sometimes you have to do 21 for both. it is very confusing and there aren't (i don't think) any good vids on youtube for it either so... lol you kinda have to figure it out by yourself... lol but to be honest going straight to the full pll would be best.
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[Kolraz]

Im in the process of learning the plls (about half way there)
Make sure that you practice each pll and not just learn the letters to build muscle memory.
Also, a fast last layer needs to be a accompanied by a really good f2l, so practice looking ahead (may mean going slow at first).

EDIT - I forgot to add, the video on youtube by badmephisto called my thought process while solving a cube is a useful example of how to look ahead druing f2l.

 

[*LukeMayn*]

use intuitive F2L for all of the cases that are 8 moves or under. For ones that sre over 8, get alg but if they are longer then stay with intuitive. Also use alg F2L for stuff like when the corner is in place but wrong orientation, or when the corner is the same as the last one but the edge is correct above it etc.

 

[blgentry]

This page outlines a 2 look OLL and a 2 look PLL:

http://cubefreak.net/twolook.html

I would add the 2 look PLL *immediately*, even before you finish the 2 look OLL. Well, actually I'd do a 3 look PLL to start, since it's only 4 algs to learn. Then you can learn 2 more (the last two edge permutation cases) later. The point is, you want to be solving the cube completely, with this method, and simply add algorithms as time, and your brain, allow.

Read that page, and hopefully the method, and the progression through that method, will make sense.

Brian.

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Great stuff. Thanks a lot guys.

I've now know 2 look OLL. I'm just going to practice it very much now and start studying the PLLs. I'm not even going to do 2 look PLL. I'll stick with intuitive F2L, 2-look OLL, and study the PLLs. Once i have the PLLs, i'll start on the OLLs.

How much time do you think needs to be spent on each alg? I was thinking of doing one a day, but one every day, i practice that day's alg, as well as all the PLLs i've already studied. What do you think?

Also, are there any PLLs i should focus on from the start? Or should i just start at #1?

 

[pcwiz]

Great stuff. Thanks a lot guys.

I've now know 2 look OLL. I'm just going to practice it very much now and start studying the PLLs. I'm not even going to do 2 look PLL. I'll stick with intuitive F2L, 2-look OLL, and study the PLLs. Once i have the PLLs, i'll start on the OLLs.

How much time do you think needs to be spent on each alg? I was thinking of doing one a day, but one every day, i practice that day's alg, as well as all the PLLs i've already studied. What do you think?

Also, are there any PLLs i should focus on from the start? Or should i just start at #1?

2 Look PLL is knowing all the edge and corner only permutations, and using them to solve the PLL in two steps. If you're just going to learn 1 look PLL, and you didn't learn any of the 2 Look PLL algorithms, then you might not be able to solve the PLL for a while, because there is a 1/21 chance you're going to find an algorithm that you just learned. So I suggest you learn 2 Look PLL JUST TO GET YOUR STARTED for learning all the rest of the PLLs. Then you can actually solve the cube (with the PLLs) WHILE learning them.

On most PLL algorithms lists, cases 1-7 (I think 7) are the 2 Look PLL algorithms. So I would suggest you start from case 1. Also, the algorithms are ordered by how basic they are (the 2 Look algorithms), so you should probably learn the algorithms by numerical order (it's your choice).

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

Great stuff. Thanks a lot guys.

I've now know 2 look OLL. I'm just going to practice it very much now and start studying the PLLs. I'm not even going to do 2 look PLL. I'll stick with intuitive F2L, 2-look OLL, and study the PLLs. Once i have the PLLs, i'll start on the OLLs.

How much time do you think needs to be spent on each alg? I was thinking of doing one a day, but one every day, i practice that day's alg, as well as all the PLLs i've already studied. What do you think?

Also, are there any PLLs i should focus on from the start? Or should i just start at #1?

2 Look PLL is knowing all the edge and corner only permutations. You can solve the last layer with that. If you're just going to learn 1 look PLL, then you might not be able to solve the PLL for a while, because there is a 1/21 chance you're going to find an algorithm that you just learned. So I suggest you learn 2 Look PLL JUST TO GET YOUR STARTED for learning all the rest of the PLLs. Then you can actually solve the cube WHILE learning them.

On most PLL algorithms, number 1-7 (I think 7) are the 4 Look PLL algorithms. So I would suggest you start from 1. Also, I THINK the algorithms are ordered by how basic they are (the 4 Look algorithms), and then how common they appear. I THINK some cases appear more often than others, so you should learn them by numerical order.

I did not understand any of that.

 

[Lucas Garron]

2 Look PLL is knowing all the edge and corner only permutations.

No.
(Also, it's not knowing them, but using them for two looks.)
In particular, J + T + U + H + Z works, and the first two are not CP-only or EP-only

You can solve the last layer with that.

Yeah, if you get an OLL skip every time or use weird conjugates.

If you're just going to learn 1 look PLL, then you might not be able to solve the PLL for a while,

No.
Would you have lost the skill?
You can still solve PLL the same way you did before, it just won't be one-look.

because there is a 1/21 chance you're going to find an algorithm that you just learned.

No:
1) Considering what you meant, most often you have "just learned" more than one alg.
2) GET YOUR PROBABILITIES RIGHT!

So I suggest you learn 2 Look PLL JUST TO GET YOUR STARTED for learning all the rest of the PLLs. Then you can actually solve the cube WHILE learning them.

Uh, he can already solve the cube?
But yeah, I suggest learning enough algs for two-look.

On most PLL algorithms, number 1-7 (I think 7) are the 4 Look PLL algorithms.

On most PLL algorithms? Don't leave out words like "lists" and assume we know it should be there.
Number 1-7 makes no sense. I don't even think I've seen many numbered lists, and the numbers are mostly arbitrary.
4-look PLL? 2 algs are enough for that, even...

(Yes, I know you're talking about Bob's page, but please don't start spewing false, semi-incoherent suggestions.)

So I would suggest you start from 1. Also, I THINK the algorithms are ordered by how basic they are (the 4 Look algorithms), and then how common they appear.

You think? That's good.
Did you think to check what you're typing, or to preview and notice that you meant 2-look?
Basic, maybe.
Again, GET THE PROBABILITIES RIGHT! If you're thinking, then think sensibly, or use your brain power to think up the right probabilities, instead of trying to deal subjectively with something objective.
I offer my PLL page for correct probabilities.

I THINK some cases appear more often than others, so you should learn them by numerical order.

Uh, good thinking?
Your syllogistic recommendation seems to have a lit of trouble around the comma, for the reason noted above.
Now, numerical order may not be bad, but why should he learn them in that order just because you think that some cases appear more often than others?

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Hmmm, so i SHOULD study 2 look PLL?

I'm really not interested in actually solving the cube while i learn these PLLs. I can solve the cube easily, that's not my goal. I actually haven't solved it in a while anyway because i've been focusing on the OLLs. So can i just study the PLLs INSTEAD of studying 2 look PLL?

Thanks again for all the help guys, i really appreciate it

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

So can i just study the PLLs INSTEAD of studying 2 look PLL?

Yes, and you should be doing that, anyway. I almost never hear anyone refer it to that, though.

 

[Kolraz]

I planned on learning 1 PLL algorithm a day too, although i found it hard to keep up to that pace, so its more like one every couple of days for me.
By already using 2 look pll i already knew about 5 of the plls anyway so if you know that first you already have a good amount of the plls learned.

 

[Lotsofsloths]

I use 3LLL and already average sub 20!

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

I always thought finding the best route was NP-hard...

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

I use 3LLL and already average sub 20!

What's 3LLL? Got a link?

 

[pcwiz]

I use 3LLL and already average sub 20!

What's 3LLL? Got a link?

3LLL means solving 3 Look Last Layer. It means solving the last layer in 3 steps, most commonly known as orienting the edges, orienting the corners, and then permuting the last layer. It's made up of 30 algorithms.

The PLL Algorithms
The Orienting the Last Layer Corner algorithms (cases 21-27)
Orienting the last layer edges is getting a cross on the top of the cube, and you probably know those two algorithms by now.

For more cube terms/abbreviations, go to Macky's Cube Glossary.

 

[pcharles93]

Pcwiz, no offense, but maybe you really should start thinking before posting. Most of your posts are really sloppy or they are just links. The reason the thread starter started this thread is to get a person's opinion, not to get links. Otherwise, google would have sufficed. Also, you barely average under a minute, so your advice isn't exactly the best around.

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

I use 3LLL and already average sub 20!

What's 3LLL? Got a link?

3LLL means solving 3 Look Last Layer. It means solving the last layer in 3 steps, most commonly known as orienting the edges, orienting the corners, and then permuting the last layer. It's made up of 30 algorithms.

The PLL Algorithms
The Orienting the Last Layer Corner algorithms (cases 21-27)
Orienting the last layer edges is getting a cross on the top of the cube, and you probably know those two algorithms by now.

Oh, well that's pretty much exactly what i'm doing now. 2 Look OLL and then PLLs. Cool, so my current method (well, what i'm learning at least) is called 3LLL...