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We have put together a new set of rules that apply to the entire site. Please read them, understand them, and obey them - they exist for a reason.

You can read them here. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please reply to this thread.
 
These are great new rules! But I had one question about the infraction/point system:

I got banned for posting in the banhammer thread and I have an infraction that is worth 5 points. Do these point accumulate over time, or just go away after a set period of time and you start out fresh?
 
ianini said:
These are great new rules! But I had one question about the infraction/point system:

I got banned for posting in the banhammer thread and I have an infraction that is worth 5 points. Do these point accumulate over time, or just go away after a set period of time and you start out fresh?
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They are always visible on your record but become inactive after some time. For instance "Multi-posting - 2 points, 7 days" means you get 2 infraction points that expire after 7 days.
 
If you had 5 points worth of infractions, you would be banned. This means they are expired now, hence why you aren't banned:
In most cases, these infractions will expire after a certain amount of time, depending on the nature and severity of the rule that was broken.
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Edit: David beat me to it.
 
ianini said:
These are great new rules! But I had one question about the infraction/point system:

I got banned for posting in the banhammer thread and I have an infraction that is worth 5 points. Do these point accumulate over time, or just go away after a set period of time and you start out fresh?
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From what ive read it looks like they expire.
(points expire after a set amount of time, up to the moderator that created the infraction).
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Discussion about where to buy knockoffs (including V-cubes) is not allowed.
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Do you mean we cannot discuss where to buy V-Cubes, or do you mean talking about V-Cubes knockoffs?

Edit: You also forgot to make the Member Introductions a link :P I appreciate the fix, and will this be one of those "check here to agree" type things when a new user signs up, or is the new user expected to find the rules page?
 
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fatboyxpc said:
Discussion about where to buy knockoffs (including V-cubes) is not allowed.
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Do you mean we cannot discuss where to buy V-Cubes, or do you mean talking about V-Cubes knockoffs?
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That means no discussing knockoffs (Vcube discussion is allowed, I was simply using vcubes as an example). I can see how that would be confusing. I will correct it.

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Discussion about where to buy knockoffs is not allowed.
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Discussion about where to buy knockoffs is not allowed.
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Since some knock-offs come from China, is it also not allowed to ask about where cubes can be bought (from a store) in China? Because my mom's in China right now and a asked her to get me some 3x3x7s and Guhongs and she said that knockoff V7s can be found also sold in those places. So by asking about where I could buy Chinese brand speedcubes in China would also indirectly point to the location of knockoffs wouldn't it?
 
These rules are much more comprehensive, I approve.

However, I do often multiple post. I don't think this should be a problem, since when I do it I am always adding new content that is different from the previous post. Having a new reply also allows others to see that new content is available in the thread. I bump oldish threads, too - but it's for the sake of not needlessly fragmenting information.

I don't think the rules are targeting this behaviour specifically since I always thought what I was doing was within reason. I assume you'll take that into account when moderating. Just wanted to make a note of it.

Please let me know if what I've been doing isn't allowed anymore though.
 
I agree with Kirjava. Often, I make a thread, and in a couple days it goes off the first page. If I add new content, I like to make a new post, or else the new content will go ignored.
 
@ThatGuy: As long as the knock-offs are not specifically mentioned, I don't see a problem with it.

@Kirjava: The way you have been posting has been and still is fine. Keep it up. :tu

@~Phoenix Death~: Yeah, I'd say that your signature can be considered advertising but erm... it is cube-related, so I would consider that okay.

@Cyrus: Bumping to add new information is fine. Under the new rules, only bumping for attention is not (at least as I interpret it).


The issues that ThatGuy and ~Phoenix Death~ brought up are ones that should be discussed with other mods, but I don't foresee any issue with either.
 
The rules seem strict (not that I'm not fine with them). There are some rules that sound like they are suddenly creating a strict prohibition against things that do have legitimate uses: "I'm leaving" threads, cross-posting, +1ing, long/overexcited thread titles, image macros. I'm not saying these things are always good - in fact they're usually used in a way nobody would want - but I think the rules should reflect the idea that it is in the community's best interest for moderators to carefully consider whether reported posts help or hurt the forum, rather than act exactly according to the letter of the law.

Incidentally, posts that only contain "OMG" or "LOL" are almost never flaming. It would make sense to consider that spam, but if someone posts one of those or a similar acronym it's usually intended as a chatroom-like immediate response, and not as an insult.

About the "no knockoffs" rule: how strict are we talking? The two ends of the spectrum are (a) please don't talk about V-cube copies, and (b) if you mention or link to any puzzle produced by someone other than the original inventor or their company, your post will be deleted or heavily censored. Personally I lean much toward the (a) side. I respect puzzle inventors and patent holders as much as many others, but I can also see that it would significantly hurt the speedsolving community to prevent discussion of knockoff puzzles, if the knockoff puzzles are indeed better for speedsolving than the originals (e.g. Rubik's brand vs Haiyan/AV/F2/C2/GuHong/...).
 
qqwref said:
About the "no knockoffs" rule: how strict are we talking? The two ends of the spectrum are (a) please don't talk about V-cube copies, and (b) if you mention or link to any puzzle produced by someone other than the original inventor or their company, your post will be deleted or heavily censored. Personally I lean much toward the (a) side. I respect puzzle inventors and patent holders as much as many others, but I can also see that it would significantly hurt the speedsolving community to prevent discussion of knockoff puzzles, if the knockoff puzzles are indeed better for speedsolving than the originals (e.g. Rubik's brand vs Haiyan/AV/F2/C2/GuHong/...).
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I definitely agree with this. I've always compared the issue to TP: they're mostly about the hardware (modding, collecting, etc.), whereas we're all about the speed portion. If a cube is better for cubing, it would be more beneficial to talk about it. But maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
 
Chapuunka said:
qqwref said:
About the "no knockoffs" rule: how strict are we talking? The two ends of the spectrum are (a) please don't talk about V-cube copies, and (b) if you mention or link to any puzzle produced by someone other than the original inventor or their company, your post will be deleted or heavily censored. Personally I lean much toward the (a) side. I respect puzzle inventors and patent holders as much as many others, but I can also see that it would significantly hurt the speedsolving community to prevent discussion of knockoff puzzles, if the knockoff puzzles are indeed better for speedsolving than the originals (e.g. Rubik's brand vs Haiyan/AV/F2/C2/GuHong/...).
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I definitely agree with this. I've always compared the issue to TP: they're mostly about the hardware (modding, collecting, etc.), whereas we're all about the speed portion. If a cube is better for cubing, it would be more beneficial to talk about it. But maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
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Edited: I agree with qqwerf also.
 
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The only one I have a problem with is the rule about image macros (yeah you know why). Images aren't abused that much here. Is there a need to be that harsh?

Everything else I'll try my best to follow strictly.

@Pheonix Death: If you read the rules, "+1" posts are not allowed. +1 is the same thing as "This."
 
I think +1 posts should be allowed in some instances, along with a lot of other things in the rule. You might want to add somewhere that there are exceptions, and the exceptions are decided by the moderators.
 
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