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[kubekid]

I got my rubiks cube when I was 11 and learned to solve it in like 3 days, but I

still can't solve it much faster than a minute.

Even though I've had it for almost a year. So I was learning the petrus method

and It was pretty easy and I practiced it, but im still very slow at cubing.

I was thinking of learning the fridrich method but there are A LOT of algorithms.

So yeah should I stick with the Petrus method and learn shortcuts or learn the

Fridrich method that people say is fast. Please post if you have any suggestions.

 

[Ruggles]

I think you should try some low level Fridrich, and see which one you like more. In terms of speed they are pretty close, so I would choose the one I liked more.

 

[kubekid]

Ehhh don't really know what that means.... Can you define Low-level Fridrich
and If you could show me where to learn it that'd be great.

 

[Lofty]

Do you like Petrus? If so there is no reason to switch to Fridrich as Petrus is also a very fast method. It can't hurt to learn Fridrich and see which one you like better. There are plenty of youtube tutorials on inuitive F2l which will teach you a basic F2L for Fridrich. Pair that with a "4LLL" (search for it) and you are good to go practicing Fridrich to see which one you like the most.
With times of a minute your Perus blockbuilding can still be worked on immensely but it still can't hurt to learn a few more algs to help you out. You could learn a "3LL" Just find one alg to do each of the 3 LL steps in one go, there are maybe 15.

 

[kubekid]

That was kind of confusing but i think i understand. I'll try out Fridrich and if i like it i'll use it if not i'll stick with petrus.

 

[Lofty]

I didn't want to tell you learn this this and this so you would have the learning experience and fun time of finding it out for your self
The 4LL for Fridrich is easy to find on this site and Petrus you may have to look around a bit for 3LLL but I can help you with that if you need it.

 

[TimMc]

Try getting 30 second solves with Beginners Layer By Layer method before learning "hundreds" of new algorithms.

You can generally lose lot of time during Cross and F2L. The last layer can be done pretty quickly with very few algorithms.

Cross
Avoid moving edge pieces to the top layer and doing half turns to put them in place. Try quarter turn combinations to position more than one edge at a time to construct the cross. That is, practice solving the cross in fewer than 8 moves.

F2L
Avoid unnecessary setup moves, i.e. rotating corners 2 times to pair up with an edge and rotating the whole cube. Try pairing up Corner and Edge pairs in the Top Layer and any available slot. Being able to insert corner/edge pairs from any face without rotating the cube will shorten the number of moves (practice will improve your comfort and speed).

Last Layer
Orient Edges: R' F' U' F U R and R' U' F' U F R
Orient Corners: Niklas + Anti Niklas
Permute Corners: J Perm, Anti-J Perm (very useful for permuting the remaining 2 or 4 corners)
Permute Edges: U Perm, Z Perm, H Perm

After lots of practice you'll reach a point where you feel that you can't physically go faster and this should highlight inefficient algorithms being used or simply lack of knowledge of alternative algorithms. Then it's time to learn some algorithms from Fridich's method (check cubewhiz for better speedcubing algorithms).

2 cents *shrug*
Tim.

 

[shelley]

Keep in mind that no matter which method you choose to go with, you will need to practice a lot. Switching to Fridrich and learning all the algs won't make your times suddenly drop from 1 minute to 25 seconds.

 

[kubekid]

ya i no. with petrus i increased my time to 3 minutes

 

[Cubie Newbie]

Whatever method you choose, if you don't practice, it's not going to do you any good. I've heard that Petrus requires, on average, fewer moves while Fridrich is fast and repetitive. If you do choose Fridrich, I suggest learning F2L intuitively first. Ask about that if you need help.

I can't say much for Petrus because I don't use it!

Good Luck,
Cubie Newbie

 

[pcwiz]

The MAIN difference between the Fridrich method and the Petrus method is the First Two Layers (F2L). The Last Layer can be done the same way as it doesn't really matter what way you do the last layer.

The Fridrich method has a lot of algorithms, yes, but it's simple. You learn the algorithms for the case, you perform them, and you solve something on the cube.

For the Petrus method, there aren't really algorithms for cases. The Petrus method requires a lot of thinking, where to do this and that. For the Fridrich Method, all you need to do is match up the algorithm with the case.

So the Petrus method requires more thinking than the Fridrich method (the Fridrich Method still requires some thinking, but less than the Petrus) So it's your choice to stay with Petrus or Fridrich. As explained before, the main difference between Petrus and Fridrich is the F2L. And yes, for Fridrich, there are a whole lot of algorithms to learn for the F2L, (42 I think), but you don't need to learn all of them. You can learn intuitive F2L, which is solving the F2L logically (no algorithms), but it requires a little more thinking than the algorithms, but once you practice it, it can get really fast, and it's like you doing have to think anymore because you get used to it.. So you should first learn intuitive F2L (Badmephisto's [NEW] intuitive F2L video on YouTube), and possibly the algorithms for the Fridrich Method.

I'm not suggesting you pick a method, because I don't know how to do the Petrus, and I'm not too good at the Fridrich Method (I use it), but I know the main differences. So I've supplied you with some information, and I hope you find it useful!

 

[Cubie Newbie]

Well, I know this is a little off topic, but, pcwiz, is the Petrus F2L just a really huge blockbuilding process?

 

[Lofty]

If you want to know about the Petrus method why don't you check out Petrus's site?
www.lar5.com/cube
I'll give you an overview its 7 steps but the last 3 are flexible and the more advanced you go they can even be done in one step.
1- 2x2x2
2- 2x2x3
3- fix bad edges
4- finish F2L
5- position corners
6- orient corners
7- position edges

 

[pcwiz]

Well, I know this is a little off topic, but, pcwiz, is the Petrus F2L just a really huge blockbuilding process?

Yes, it is. For the Petrus method, you first make a 2x2x2 block. Then, you expand it to a 2x2x3 block. Then, you finish the F2L. Getting the blocks is intuitive because there are no algorithms for the Petrus F2L (I think so) because there are so many possibilities your cube could be in for you to get the blocks. You could say that the Petrus method is a block building method (the Roux method is also a block building method).

 

[Cubie Newbie]

Yeah, I tried solving with his method by going to the site Lofty mentioned(thanks!). I found that, during step 4b, it was hard not to fall into inserting a corner-edge pair Fridrich style. Maybe someday I'll switch to Petrus, but for now, I guess I'm still using Fridrich's method.

 

[Lofty]

idk...I do 4b pretty Fridrich style...with all of F2L solved minus one pair there isnt much else too do.

 

[Johannes91]

idk...I do 4b pretty Fridrich style...with all of F2L solved minus one pair there isnt much else too do.

I agree, 4b is very similar to ce-pairs in Fridrich F2L.

Just make sure you do that only for 4b and not for whole S4. I've seen too many people solving the "cross edge" first and then two ce-pairs, which is just dumb.

 

[Radical Seal]

I know. I hate it when people say this:
"Is it a good idea to build a 2x2x3 block, then make a cross and finish with Fridrich?"
Step 4 isn't even that hard. I have a lot more trouble with step 2 than with step 4.