OH Table Use [better poll]

[qqwref]

Spawned from an argument with Kirjava. This poll is better.

EDIT: For what it's worth, my argument is that purposefully making turns with the table is against the spirit of the one-handed event, because the whole point is that you can only make turns with the one hand, not also using other objects.

 

[Kirjava]

A vote for the table is a vote for Kirjava!

 

[riffz]

I do agree that using the table isn't really in the spirit but its hard to enforce unless you give people DNFs when they drop their cube...

EDIT: Scrap that, I vote no.

 

[Escher]

Think of it from an outsiders perspective - watching people compete in OH, then seeing somebody rest the cube on a table to do some moves; wouldn't you just assume they were cheating?

I can see why Kir likes OH+Table though

 

[Kirjava]

watching people compete in OH, then seeing somebody rest the cube on a table to do some moves

How many hands are they using to do this?

 

[Escher]

watching people compete in OH, then seeing somebody rest the cube on a table to do some moves

How many hands are they using to do this?

One.

Doesn't disprove me though.

 

[qqwref]

One hand isn't about "you can't use one of your hands", it's about "you can only use one hand".

 

[Kirjava]

One hand isn't about "you can't use one of your hands", it's about "you can only use one hand".

I would argue that either could be a valid interpretation, depending on your opinion. That's not really something you can disagree with.

 

[Escher]

So if you can use the table, why not...

Only one hand.

 

[JBCM627]

One hand isn't about "you can't use one of your hands", it's about "you can only use one hand".

I would argue that either could be a valid interpretation, depending on your opinion. That's not really something you can disagree with.

With the latter being harder to enforce, the former is preferable from an organizational standpoint.

 

[Kirjava]

So if you can use the table, why not...

I lol'd.

But this is why;

C1a) During the solve the competitor must only use one hand. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
C1b) During the solve no other body part or any object other than the surface must touch the puzzle. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
C1b2) If a puzzle defect occurs, and the competitor decides to repair it, then repairing must be done with one hand, use of the surface is optional. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
C1c) During the solve, once a competitor touches the puzzle with one hand, he must not touch the puzzle with the other hand. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.

 

[DavidWoner]

Think of it from an outsiders perspective - watching people compete in OH, then seeing somebody rest the cube on a table to do some moves; wouldn't you just assume they were cheating?

I can see why Kir likes OH+Table though

The "outsider's perspective" argument is the dumbest thing ever. Regardless of context, it is always a stupid argument.

 

[Escher]

Think of it from an outsiders perspective - watching people compete in OH, then seeing somebody rest the cube on a table to do some moves; wouldn't you just assume they were cheating?

I can see why Kir likes OH+Table though

The "outsider's perspective" argument is the dumbest thing ever. Regardless of context, it is always a stupid argument.

From an outsiders perspective, this would look like you're a meanie :3

But srs, yeah, I know. It's just fun to argue with Kir sometimes

 

[Feryll]

So if you can use the table, why not...

I lol'd.

But this is why;

C1a) During the solve the competitor must only use one hand. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
C1b) During the solve no other body part or any object other than the surface must touch the puzzle. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
C1b2) If a puzzle defect occurs, and the competitor decides to repair it, then repairing must be done with one hand, use of the surface is optional. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
C1c) During the solve, once a competitor touches the puzzle with one hand, he must not touch the puzzle with the other hand. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.

Bite the table off, keep the piece in your mouth, and turn it in your mouth like that.

 

[eastamazonantidote]

If you drop your cube it shouldn't matter, otherwise it goes against the purpose of OH

 

[Edmund]

I'd say no. The event is 1 handed not 1 handed + an effing table

 

[waffle=ijm]

table plz. people use the table all the time to align their cubes after some turns, its not just restricted to slices.

 

[marthaurion]

table plz. people use the table all the time to align their cubes after some turns, its not just restricted to slices.

Here's a radical idea...use your hand to align your cube

 

[incessantcheese]

this would be difficult to enforce unless you're not allowed to drop the cube. pushing the cube against the table is "turning" the sides, although it's probably less than 30 degrees of turning. if someone were to drop the cube to align it "by accident", we would start running into the same problems we had with intentional popping.

looking to another event, solving with your feet means only the feet, where you are of course allowed to use the ground. it would be quite a different event if you were not allowed to use the ground. in my opinion, just because it's easier for most people to turn the cube without using the table + one hand doesn't mean we should disallow using the table.

 

[cubesolver77]

table plz. people use the table all the time to align their cubes after some turns, its not just restricted to slices.

Here's a radical idea...use your hand to align your cube

At the cmu spring i tried that when it was a stupid time for it and i squeezed the cube out of my hand. Then had half the center caps flew halfway across the stage and had to find and pick them all up with one hand.

I think the table should be used to reallign but not to finish a turn that was barely started