Should I learn COLL for OH?

[rubiknewbie]

I have never learned COLL for 2 hands since my EPLL is not fast.

However with OH, I think the benefits of COLL may be greater because:

1. some non-EPLLs are very slow increasing the time delta between EPLL and non-EPLL executions.

2. turning speed is slower giving more time to recognise the COLL.

Anyone learn COLL just for OH?

 

[eastamazonantidote]

COLL is amazing for OH. Just get some algs that use <L,U,R> to avoid F moves and you should be fine. I didn't learn it just for OH but I relearned some of them so I wouldn't need F moves.

 

[Weston]

YES
I don't use the sune or antisune or some of Pi because the regular 2gen algs for those are really fast.

 

[sz35]

yes!!! COLL is amazing for OH because EPLLs are 2-gen and because many OLLs and PLLs are awful for OH.

 

[rubiknewbie]

Ok I am going to learn COLL for the 1st time! What is a good place to learn and to see definition (I don't know which is Pi)? I was going to go to Dan Harris' site.

 

[riffz]

Look it up on the wiki. Rowe Hessler has videos on youtube of how to recognize them, and although his algs are for 2x2, the recognition part is the same.

 

[Rpotts]

How is your EPLL slow?? the RU U perms can EASILY be sub 2'd, and can be sub 1'd with only pretty fast turning speed. H should be sub 2 easily and Z aswell. What algs do you use for EPLLs?

 

[a small kitten]

H should be sub 2 easily

This be an OH thread. Sub 2 H perms are actually pretty hard OH.

 

[Pedro]

How is your EPLL slow?? the RU U perms can EASILY be sub 2'd, and can be sub 1'd with only pretty fast turning speed. H should be sub 2 easily and Z aswell. What algs do you use for EPLLs?

H should be sub 2 easily

This be an OH thread. Sub 2 H perms are actually pretty hard OH.

I have never learned COLL for 2 hands since my EPLL is not fast.

There.

 

[whauk]

well i know a bunch of COLLs but i dont use them often. e.g. when i see a sune i immediately execute it because its just too slow to look which case it is. when you search COLLs for OH you should go to loftys site i think.

 

[rubiknewbie]

How is your EPLL slow?? the RU U perms can EASILY be sub 2'd, and can be sub 1'd with only pretty fast turning speed. H should be sub 2 easily and Z aswell. What algs do you use for EPLLs?

For 2-hand, I am thinking like EPLL 1.5-3 sec vs worst case PLL say 4-5 sec is not enough benefit considering the extra recognition for COLL.

For OH, other slow PLLs might be like up to 10 sec so it is more worth it.

I am thinking not to learn COLLs for Sune, Anti-sune and Pi like Weston said since those are smooth and instinctive it's hard to resist not slowing down to do the COLLs for those.

 

[aegius1r]

These are OH COLL algs I once collected. I tryed my best to optimize them, and generated some by explorers. Maybe useful if you decided to learn COLLs.
However I don't think they're necessary, it is often slower to do COLL+EPLL than OLL+PLL. Definitely in some cases they are faster, but not a lot, and recognitions are not as easy as OLLs.
Edge control takes time too, so just use them whenever edges are naturally oriented when F2Ls are done.

U

R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R'
R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R
x' R2 D2 R' U2 R D2 R' U2 R'
R U2 R' U' L' U2 R U R' U2 L
R U R' U R U2 R2 U' R U' R' U2 R
L' R U R2 U2 L U' L' U2 L R2 U2 R'

T

r U R' U' L' U R U'
x U R U' L U R' U' L'
R U' R' U2 R L U' R' U L'
R' U' R L U2 R' U' R U' L' U L U2 L'
x' R U2 R D2 R' U2 R D2 R2
R' U2 R U R' U R2 U2 R' U' R U' R'

L

F R' F' L F R F' L'
F' L F R' F' L F R
R U2 R D R' U2 R D' R2
R' U2 R' D' R U2 R' D R2
R U R' L' U2 R U R' U2 L
R U2 R' U' R U' R' L U L' U L U2 L'

H

R U2 R' U' R U' R' U' R U' R'
L R U' R2 U L' U' L' R2 U R' U' L
R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L
L' R U R' U R U' R' U2 L U' R U2 R'

Pi

R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R
R U2 R' U' R U' R2 U L U' R U L'
R' U2 R U R' U R2 U' L' U R' U' L
R U' L' U R' U L U L' U L
R U' R' U2 R L' U R' U' L U2 R U R'
R U2 R' U L' U2 R U R' U'R U' R' L

About S/As, I always do OLL+PLL.

 

[rubiknewbie]

I will look into that!