Edge flipping algorithm for Oka Pyraminx

[riffz]

So I'm using the Oka-style method for pyraminx and after I have solved the first 2 edges and oriented/solved the centers, I need to insert the 3rd edge on the L face. Sometimes the edge is in place and flipped however, and I'm wondering if there's a better algorithm than (L R' L' R) (U' R U R') since it doesn't matter how it will affect the last 3 edges.

Thanks in advance,
Rob

 

[DavidWoner]

Odder just does 2flip and then LL. I do psuedo-LL and then a 2flip.

 

[flee135]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

 

[DavidWoner]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

I'm sure he can as well, but if it goes to that case very easily he just does 2flip and LL.

 

[Deleted member 4527]

Learn WO

and the 2 flip alg isn't bad, I can sub-0.75 on it

 

[flee135]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

I'm sure he can as well, but if it goes to that case very easily he just does 2flip and LL.

Alright, yeah, I suppose that's what I used to do. I also always flip an edge that's oriented correctly so that I'll end up with an easy 4-move case. The only exception is if there's only one more edge to be flipped, in which case a 2-flip will solve the puzzle.

 

[riffz]

and the 2 flip alg isn't bad, I can sub-0.75 on it

I know its not, I was just wondering if there were any shorter ones.

Alright then. I'll stick to what I've been doing already. Thanks.

 

[Carrot]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

I'm sure he can as well, but if it goes to that case very easily he just does 2flip and LL.

+1 for both =)

EDIT:

Learn WO

and the 2 flip alg isn't bad, I can sub-0.75 on it

+1 =D just that the 2-flip can be done sub-0.75 from 3 different angles and the fastest of them is sub0.6 (and 0.5 on a really good day )

 

[riffz]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

I'm sure he can as well, but if it goes to that case very easily he just does 2flip and LL.

+1 for both =)

Can someone give me an example solve or walk me through your thought process when trying to avoid this? How far ahead are you thinking to prevent the edge from being flipped in place?

 

[qqwref]

You can learn one-look (flip + LL) if you want - there's only 12 possible cases, of which two are 2flip. That's probably the fastest approach.

 

[Deleted member 4527]

You can learn one-look (flip + LL) if you want - there's only 12 possible cases, of which two are 2flip. That's probably the fastest approach.

Isn't that just a subset of L4E then?

 

[qqwref]

Yes, it is. Oka solves the last 4 edges in two steps in one way, LBL does it in another way, but in both methods you can slowly get rid of the worst cases (and eventually all 2-look cases) by learning L4E algs.

 

[Carrot]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

I'm sure he can as well, but if it goes to that case very easily he just does 2flip and LL.

+1 for both =)

Can someone give me an example solve or walk me through your thought process when trying to avoid this? How far ahead are you thinking to prevent the edge from being flipped in place?

give me a scramble... xD

 

[flee135]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

I'm sure he can as well, but if it goes to that case very easily he just does 2flip and LL.

+1 for both =)

Can someone give me an example solve or walk me through your thought process when trying to avoid this? How far ahead are you thinking to prevent the edge from being flipped in place?

Well to answer your second question, I usually see the entire solve minus the last step during inspection.

 

[riffz]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

I'm sure he can as well, but if it goes to that case very easily he just does 2flip and LL.

+1 for both =)

Can someone give me an example solve or walk me through your thought process when trying to avoid this? How far ahead are you thinking to prevent the edge from being flipped in place?

Well to answer your second question, I usually see the entire solve minus the last step during inspection.

Oh, okay. I guess I just need to practice more and eventually I'll be able to trace that piece through the orientation of centers.

You can learn one-look (flip + LL) if you want - there's only 12 possible cases, of which two are 2flip. That's probably the fastest approach.

Can you link me to the algorithms? I was thinking of doing this before and you've convinced me. I'll probably try to find some myself but if you have them that would be preferable.

 

[qqwref]

You can learn one-look (flip + LL) if you want - there's only 12 possible cases, of which two are 2flip. That's probably the fastest approach.

Can you link me to the algorithms? I was thinking of doing this before and you've convinced me. I'll probably try to find some myself but if you have them that would be preferable.

Algs are listed here, but I haven't bothered to optimize them for wristtrickiness or whatever (they're just move-optimal).

 

[riffz]

You can learn one-look (flip + LL) if you want - there's only 12 possible cases, of which two are 2flip. That's probably the fastest approach.

Can you link me to the algorithms? I was thinking of doing this before and you've convinced me. I'll probably try to find some myself but if you have them that would be preferable.

Algs are listed here, but I haven't bothered to optimize them for wristtrickiness or whatever (they're just move-optimal).

Alright, thanks

 

[Carrot]

You can learn one-look (flip + LL) if you want - there's only 12 possible cases, of which two are 2flip. That's probably the fastest approach.

Can you link me to the algorithms? I was thinking of doing this before and you've convinced me. I'll probably try to find some myself but if you have them that would be preferable.

Algs are listed here, but I haven't bothered to optimize them for wristtrickiness or whatever (they're just move-optimal).

Alright, thanks

use Ksolver to find different optimal cases... because som optimal algs are much better than other optimal algs ;D

 

[Carrot]

Actually I would imagine Odder can avoid those every time. That's what I do at least...

I'm sure he can as well, but if it goes to that case very easily he just does 2flip and LL.

+1 for both =)

Can someone give me an example solve or walk me through your thought process when trying to avoid this? How far ahead are you thinking to prevent the edge from being flipped in place?

Well to answer your second question, I usually see the entire solve minus the last step during inspection.

Isn't he doing that!??? I thought it was human nature to do that

EDIT: double post-.-'