Pro or Con: Abortion

[brunson]

Actually, I think I changed my opinion. If a girl was raped and conceived a child, then, for sure, they could just have the kid and then give it up for adoption? Surely better than death?

Everything dies sometime.

BTW, I think better terms are "Pro-Choice" and "Anti-Choice". It better sums up the positions.

 

[shelley]

Actually, I think I changed my opinion. If a girl was raped and conceived a child, then, for sure, they could just have the kid and then give it up for adoption? Surely better than death?

Everything dies sometime.

BTW, I think better terms are "Pro-Choice" and "Anti-Choice". It better sums up the positions.

Nah, pro-lifers still think women have a choice between keeping the baby or giving it up for adoption.

 

[Dene]

You people are getting caught up on rape causing pregnancy too much. If we controlled conception, rape would never cause pregnancy. EUGENICS FTW.

 

[Sir E Brum]

I think you should have to pass a test to have a kid.

What does that have to do with this subject?

On topic: I really can't see any situation at all where giving birth to an unwanted child is a good idea.

How would the unwanted child feel about that?

1) The sensory capabilities of a fetus are still in development
2) How do you think a fully grown, adult cow feels when it is slaughtered?

 

[shelley]

You people are getting caught up on rape causing pregnancy too much. If we controlled conception, rape would never cause pregnancy. EUGENICS FTW.

If controlled conception were a viable solution, China would have been all over it years ago.

 

[StachuK1992]

I think you should have to pass a test to have a kid.

THIS!
Yeah yeah!

(It's almost kinda like eugenics, and would prevent super stupid people from raising super stupid children!)

I'd rather dumb-ass children than jerk children.

Dumb people are fine, in comparison to mean/negative people. (without reason, that is.)

 

[Muesli]

You people are getting caught up on rape causing pregnancy too much. If we controlled conception, rape would never cause pregnancy. EUGENICS FTW.

Rape happens, and women get pregnant from it. It definitely deserves a mention in this debate.

Also, I think everyone should watch the film Juno. That's very relevant.

 

[Daniel Wu]

I think you should have to pass a test to have a kid.

What does that have to do with this subject?

On topic: I really can't see any situation at all where giving birth to an unwanted child is a good idea.

How would the unwanted child feel about that?

1) The sensory capabilities of a fetus are still in development
2) How do you think a fully grown, adult cow feels when it is slaughtered?

Human != cow

 

[Dene]

You people are getting caught up on rape causing pregnancy too much. If we controlled conception, rape would never cause pregnancy. EUGENICS FTW.

If controlled conception were a viable solution, China would have been all over it years ago.

The technology still isn't available for what I have in mind yet. Only because people whine over "ethics", though.

You people are getting caught up on rape causing pregnancy too much. If we controlled conception, rape would never cause pregnancy. EUGENICS FTW.

Rape happens, and women get pregnant from it. It definitely deserves a mention in this debate.

People wouldn't get pregnant from it if getting pregnant was impossible.

 

[iasimp1997]

Pro-life. Killing innocents is wrong.

Well I say holding a woman's reproductive system hostage because a clump of cells has more rights than she does is wrong, but everything's not as black and white as you make it seem. What if the mother's life is endangered by the pregnancy? What if the pregnancy was the result of rape?

The clump of cells would be a human being. Killing the child to save the mother would send the message that one human being is more important than another. That's like saying let's kill people from third world countries because they suck resources and are endangering the health of the world. Regardless of how the child was conceived, the child still has rights as a human being and human life should be protected from the moment of conception. It's human life, not just a clump of cells.

Consider this;

Girl is raped at 10 years old, and just happens to get pregnant. What would you do?

1: Force her to have the child because the ball of cells could become a child. Every life deserves life, right?

2: Allow her to abort the child, thus allowing her to live her life free of the burden of an unwanted child.

In my opinion having a child that young would destroy the mother's life as well as the unborn, unwanted child's life too.

She can have the kid, then give it up for adoption.

 

[aronpm]

2) How do you think a fully grown, adult cow feels when it is slaughtered?

Human != cow

Nobody said that. However, on an important scale, humans !> cows.

 

[StachuK1992]

Consider this;

Girl is raped at 10 years old, and just happens to get pregnant. What would you do?

She can have the kid, then give it up for adoption.

You're 12, and wtf is this?
Preggo 10yr old...no.

 

[Muesli]

You people are getting caught up on rape causing pregnancy too much. If we controlled conception, rape would never cause pregnancy. EUGENICS FTW.

Rape happens, and women get pregnant from it. It definitely deserves a mention in this debate.

People wouldn't get pregnant from it if getting pregnant was impossible.

So we choose who gets pregnant and who doesn't now? That seems a bit Totalitarian to me.

Consider this;

Girl is raped at 10 years old, and just happens to get pregnant. What would you do?

She can have the kid, then give it up for adoption.

You're 12, and wtf is this?
Preggo 10yr old...no.

Click me.

 

[LewisJ]

Pro-life.
And what is the difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice? I see no difference.

Adoption is always an option for a mother.

Pro-abortion would imply wanting to kill ALL the babies while pro-choice would imply wanting a choice to be possible.

The mother dying due to child-birth is very rare with modern medical procedures and as far as rape goes adoption is an option and there are plenty of groups that will help poor mothers who decide to keep their child.

Also is it just me or have lots of threads that will obviously lead to fighting popped up more than usual?

Quote the post you're actually responding to next time? I never said anything about rape so it doesn't seem you're responding to me....make yourself more clear

Well I figured that was implied of when you thought it was okay. When do you think it is okay? Anytime the woman felt like it?

All I ever said to you was that there's a difference between the term pro-choice and the term pro-abortion, and now you're asking me when I think abortion is acceptable - a topic I never went anywhere close to! I think you're still responding to the wrong guy!

1) The sensory capabilities of a fetus are still in development
2) How do you think a fully grown, adult cow feels when it is slaughtered?

Human != cow

It seems easy for you to say that a handful of human cells should have more rights than ~1500 pounds of cow cells - yet you put such an emphasis on the value of life. Not to mention how you completely ignored his first point, AND my first response to you:

The clump of cells would be a human being. Killing the child to save the mother would send the message that one human being is more important than another. That's like saying let's kill people from third world countries because they suck resources and are endangering the health of the world. Regardless of how the child was conceived, the child still has rights as a human being and human life should be protected from the moment of conception. It's human life, not just a clump of cells.

What, exactly, differentiates human life from a clump of cells? And wouldn't letting the mother die and the baby live (or possibly both die) send the EXACT SAME MESSAGE?

 

[Daniel Wu]

1) The sensory capabilities of a fetus are still in development
2) How do you think a fully grown, adult cow feels when it is slaughtered?

Human != cow

It seems easy for you to say that a handful of human cells should have more rights than ~1500 pounds of cow cells - yet you put such an emphasis on the value of life. Not to mention how you completely ignored his first point, AND my first response to you:

The clump of cells would be a human being. Killing the child to save the mother would send the message that one human being is more important than another. That's like saying let's kill people from third world countries because they suck resources and are endangering the health of the world. Regardless of how the child was conceived, the child still has rights as a human being and human life should be protected from the moment of conception. It's human life, not just a clump of cells.

What, exactly, differentiates human life from a clump of cells? And wouldn't letting the mother die and the baby live (or possibly both die) send the EXACT SAME MESSAGE?

Try to save the mother and the child without intentionally trying to kill the child. Intentionally killing the child to save the life of the mother is wrong IMHO.

EDIT: And yes I value a human life more than that of a cow (which I happen to be eating right now).

 

[Chapuunka]

I'm pro-life because I think all life is valuable, whether created on purpose or accident. Although in an ideal world, you wouldn't have to worry about rape, or having kids when you're not ready/out of wedlock.

 

[Daniel Que]

Hmmm, I would say that people should have the choice of whether or not to "abort mission," and that hopefully, people wouldn't abuse the privilege. If a teenage girl is burdened with a child, their life is going to be drastically changed, and most likely for the worse.

Also, as horrible as this sounds, the world doesn't need more people. With our environmental crisis that many are taking too lightly, we need to either reduce energy use, or reduce the people using energy. With the world's population rising too fast for resources to regenerate and keep up with, we're headed in a bad direction. The more people there are, the more resources are needed to sustain them. I know that aborting children (in the early stages) won't reduce population significantly, but regardless of that, population is an issue in a world where on one side, people are overusing energy, and on the other side, people are overproducing people.

 

[iasimp1997]

Consider this;

Girl is raped at 10 years old, and just happens to get pregnant. What would you do?

She can have the kid, then give it up for adoption.

You're 12, and wtf is this?
Preggo 10yr old...no.

Ya ya ya, no 13, actually, soon .

 

[Dene]

You people are getting caught up on rape causing pregnancy too much. If we controlled conception, rape would never cause pregnancy. EUGENICS FTW.

Rape happens, and women get pregnant from it. It definitely deserves a mention in this debate.

People wouldn't get pregnant from it if getting pregnant was impossible.

So we choose who gets pregnant and who doesn't now? That seems a bit Totalitarian to me.

Well, not necessarily who, but when. But I'd go with who as well if I had things my way. Let's be perfectly honest here: the world would be a better place if people were born unequal, and didn't care.

 

[Kian]

I think you should have to pass a test to have a kid.

Oh yeah, I want the government deciding who should reproduce. What a fantastic idea. Flawless.