a new chinese 7x7 with VCUBE quality

[panyan]

But as for the cubes that are KO's, why should we even discuss them?

because this is a cubing forum and so we can discuss all puzzles and the solving of those puzzles, regardless of where they came from and who they "hurt"

 

[riffz]

But as for the cubes that are KO's, why should we even discuss them? They're made illegally, they hurt the original inventors who built them, & they give intensives to future inventors to not produce their own puzzles. Can't you guys see that logic?

Your argument is invalid: just because something is illegal or unethical does not mean it should never be discussed. We've had discussions about pot, bullying, religious belief, politics, etc. in the past and just because one person thinks the topic is unethical does not mean nobody should be allowed to talk about it. Woner's comparison to abstinence-only sex education is an apt one: people are going to be buying cheap Chinese cubes (and have sex) whether you tell them they should do it or should not do it (or whether you ignore the subject, as information does travel). So if they're going to buy the KOs anyway (eventually), why not at least educate people?

I guess the most moral approach would be to ask everyone making a KO topic to add a disclaimer in red saying that purchasing KOs hurts the real inventors, etc. etc. I imagine this would get annoying after a while, but the information would all be out there and nobody would really be able to complain that the topic is only there to advertise the KO products.

I will forever think that Hillary Clinton runs this site if discussion of KO's gets banned.

You think Hillary Clinton runs twistypuzzles?

 

[dunpeal2064]

haha... the hillary clinton thing was because she is very VERY heavy on censorship... twas supposed to be a joke =)

 

[dunpeal2064]

Also, Saw these KO 6x6 on ebay... funny though, they are selling a bag to put your cube in for $25, and then giving you a free KO 6x6. I ordered the pillowed one to see how it is. *dun dun dun*

 

[James Ludlow]

Also, Saw these KO 6x6 on ebay... funny though, they are selling a bag to put your cube in for $25, and then giving you a free KO 6x6. I ordered the pillowed one to see how it is. *dun dun dun*

Shoot me now.

I'd like to see a non pillowed 7x7. I think that although the outer layer would be even bigger than the six, it would be a lot more finger friendly.
Sorry guys, if there was a Chinese Cubic 7x7, it would be on my shopping list.

 

[dunpeal2064]

haha. i didnt see any 7x7s on there but they had flat 6x6. I just found it funny that instead of selling the KO's now they are giving them away... as long as you buy a $25 bag xD

 

[qqwref]

Huh, I dunno about 6x6, but I could actually use a bag for my 7x7. Somehow its center stickers always get messed up when I let it play in my satchel with all the other cubes.

 

[dunpeal2064]

yeah it looked pretty nice too. it was blue, unlike the ghost hand bag, and it can hold a lot more (up to 7x7 it says, but it looks slightly bigger even)

AND you get a free KO cube with it. lol. not that anyone would ever want that >.>

 

[Edmund]

Gurplex2: That lost part was really uncalled for.

 

[dunpeal2064]

yeah... sadly comments like that don't help whatever cause you're arguing for

=/

 

[endless_akatsuki]

6x6 + bag for 25 bucks...sounds like it could be on da Christmas shopping list!

and 7x7's for $30...very nice XD

 

[V-te]

6x6 + bag for 25 bucks...sounds like it could be on da Christmas shopping list!

and 7x7's for $30...very nice XD

Yup. Sometimes KO's have a way better price than the originals.

Take the floppy cube. I was looking for one on ebay and it was $22, and I saw a KO white floppy cube for $3+free shipping. I would assume it has better quality than the original because I've seen reviews that say the original is stiff, while the KO was very nice out of the box, and still is.

$3 > $22+$10 shipping

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

Darn, even for me that $ 25 KO is expensive.

 

[Tdude]

now there's black cube

 

[Johannes91]

$3 > $22+$10 shipping

Nice usage of ">".

 

[kongee]

We can educate ppl for not buying KOs but it's up to them if they aware about ethical..

Perhaps, puzzles inventors should start working closely with WCA Board like Sponsoring WCA competitions, eg monetary or merchandise.

WCA may also amend their rules in 3m clause, for instant "Only V7 from Vcube is allowed for 7x7x7 Cube event"

my 2 cents

 

[aronpm]

Perhaps, puzzles inventors should start working closely with WCA Board like Sponsoring WCA competitions, eg monetary or merchandise.

WCA may also amend their rules in 3m clause, for instant "Only V7 from Vcube is allowed for 7x7x7 Cube event"

No. That is a terrible idea. A company should not sponsor the WCA just so they can regulate the usage of cube brands. What if another company patents and produces a 7x7x7 cube? People wouldn't be allowed to use those cubes, because your proposed amendment would prohibit it.. What would the reaction from the community be if the regulations forbade the use of DIY cubes, and all competitors had to use Rubik's brand storebought cubes?

The current regulation allowing all brands of puzzles should not be changed. The WCA regulations do not exist to be fair to companies. They exist to be fair to competitors.

 

[qqwref]

What would the reaction from the community be if the regulations forbade the use of DIY cubes, and all competitors had to use Rubik's brand storebought cubes?

This was actually the case for some very early competitions. I think in general people were annoyed by it but it didn't cause too much trouble.

The current regulation allowing all brands of puzzles should not be changed. The WCA regulations do not exist to be fair to companies. They exist to be fair to competitors.

This. The regulation is there for a reason. The WCA is an association of speedcubers, not of puzzle manufacturers, and the goal has always been to be nicer to competitors, not necessarily to benefit certain companies.