Marijuana - good or bad?

[Rune]

If marijuana was legal, you would only be limited to smoking it outdoors, right? someone could still eat a couple "special brownies" right before a solve

Of course. The only reason it has to be done outside is the smoke itself. Similarly, if you can find a way to get nicotine into your system that doesn't involve smoke, feel free to do it inside...

"Dipping tobacco, also known as moist snuff or spit tobacco, is a form of smokeless tobacco. It is commonly referred to as dip. The act of using it is called dipping. Dip is colloquially called "chew"; because of this, it is commonly confused with chewing tobacco. It is a version of the Swedish "snus" that was brought to America by Swedish immigrants in the 19th century."

 

[masterofthebass]

That's like 100m sprinting. If people took drugs to improve there performance, surely this would have them banned. Why is cubing any different? It's not. Drugs and energy drinks and coffee should not be allowed. Even recreational drugs that have no effect on performance. They are in other sports, so why not cubing. Please explain your point of view. Or is your point of view on 100m sprints different as well? I really don't understand you.

100m sprint is still a race. It's not an event where everyone gets up and does their sprint separately and has it timed; instead you have a bunch of people all racing against each other and the person who wins gets a medal (unless they get DQ'd). In that case it is really not fair to use drugs. But cubing is pretty much individual - everyone comes and does their solves separately, and whether you won or lost is just shown at the end (and has a lot of randomness anyway), and individual competition rankings don't really matter except at a national or world championship. Essentially, having a fair advantage does not directly hurt anyone in any significant way.

So if Breandan took performance enhancing drugs (no offense Breandan, but you must be taking something to be this fast ), you wouldn't care. What if it helped him win WC 2009? He took the prize money. How is it individual? Then what if he had the WR? That would be unfair on everyone else who wanted it. Personal Records feel nice, but a WR would feel nicer. In no way can you say cubing is an individual sport. There are other competitors wanting to win too?

You confuse me qq.

There's a reason why only the Australian CRICKET team banns coffee. No other professional sport bans the use of over the counter energy drinks and coffee. They do have restrictions of various other drugs, such as Amphetamines, anabolic steroids, cocaine, and other things that effect a person in a great way. Some sports ban marijuana, and some sports don't really care (basketball/football off the top of my head. probably a lot more).

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

Is there a WCA regulation against taking drugs? (I'm serious)

Also, are you aloud to have V/Red Bull/Mother/Monster and other energy drinks. (I don't know if these are sold in America, but they're all similar to Red Bull.)

The WCA should ban coffee. The Australian circket team is banned from drinking coffee, because the head of Australian Cricket says they improve reflexes, which it's proven they do. It is not banned in cricket, but Australian players are fined because they think it is against the spirit of the game.

Even if energy drinks, coffee, or drugs aren't banned, people shouldn't use them.

People should also abstain from getting a good night's sleep or eating breakfast because it gives you an energy boost and improves concentration.

Yes, it's against the spirit of cubing

Good job shooting down your own argument.

 

[brunson]

Yeah, ethan, bill clinton smoked weed too. He was grand.

If that's sarcasm then you fail. Clinton oversaw the greatest period of economic expansion in decades. He did a lot for our country, all of which is usually forgotten because of the Lewinski scandal. Some of his personal decisions may have been questionable but he was still a great leader.

it's not sarcasm.[/quote]

Anyone that's studies economics can tell you that any minor change to the economy (minor meaning short of dumping half a trillion dollars on lending institutions to keep the world economy afloat) made by an administration will not yield results for at least four or five years. Clinton could only possibly have had an effect on growth that was seen in the last few years of his presidency, any thing during the first half would have to be attributed to the policies of Reagan and Bush the First. "Oversaw" is correct, he largely oversaw the effects of the Republican administration that preceded him.

Conversely, the aggressive lending practices pressed upon Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac by the Clinton cabinet (practically mandating that anyone with a pulse should be eligible for a mortgage) were the core of the financial collapse that we're still in the midst of.

Clinton was no savior, except to some hikers in North Korea.

 

[Edward]

if you smoke marijuana you will become like this:

So ill be amazingly smart with reasoning and deduction skills. Gimme some marijuana noaw.

 

[daniel0731ex]

if you smoke marijuana you will become like this:

So ill be amazingly smart with reasoning and deduction skills. Gimme some marijuana noaw.

but you'll get killed.

 

[fanwuq]

Yeah, ethan, bill clinton smoked weed too. He was grand.

If that's sarcasm then you fail. Clinton oversaw the greatest period of economic expansion in decades. He did a lot for our country, all of which is usually forgotten because of the Lewinski scandal. Some of his personal decisions may have been questionable but he was still a great leader.

Anyone that's studies economics can tell you that any minor change to the economy (minor meaning short of dumping half a trillion dollars on lending institutions to keep the world economy afloat) made by an administration will not yield results for at least four or five years. Clinton could only possibly have had an effect on growth that was seen in the last few years of his presidency, any thing during the first half would have to be attributed to the policies of Reagan and Bush the First. "Oversaw" is correct, he largely oversaw the effects of the Republican administration that preceded him.

Conversely, the aggressive lending practices pressed upon Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac by the Clinton cabinet (practically mandating that anyone with a pulse should be eligible for a mortgage) were the core of the financial collapse that we're still in the midst of.

Clinton was no savior, except to some hikers in North Korea.

+1.
Clinton was a decent president, but you can't thank he for the economy.

 

[vgbjason]

if you smoke marijuana you will become like this:

So ill be amazingly smart with reasoning and deduction skills. Gimme some marijuana noaw.

but you'll get killed.

Come on, you're going to die anyway. People accept skydiving and mountain climbing but not a little cannabis? :fp

 

[Edward]

if you smoke marijuana you will become like this:

So ill be amazingly smart with reasoning and deduction skills. Gimme some marijuana noaw.

but you'll get killed.

NOOO!!! SPOILERS!!!!!!

I haven't finished the series yet

 

[qqwref]

but you'll get killed.

Come on, you're going to die anyway.

http://www.explosm.net/comics/913/

 

[Tyson]

Is there a WCA regulation against taking drugs? (I'm serious)

Also, are you aloud to have V/Red Bull/Mother/Monster and other energy drinks. (I don't know if these are sold in America, but they're all similar to Red Bull.)

The WCA should ban coffee. The Australian circket team is banned from drinking coffee, because the head of Australian Cricket says they improve reflexes, which it's proven they do. It is not banned in cricket, but Australian players are fined because they think it is against the spirit of the game.

Even if energy drinks, coffee, or drugs aren't banned, people shouldn't use them.

People should also abstain from getting a good night's sleep or eating breakfast because it gives you an energy boost and improves concentration.

Yes, it's against the spirit of cubing

Good job shooting down your own argument.

I'm going to preface with by saying that this is a thought experiment and not my position...

But let's say the WCA *did* in fact ban the use of drugs, steroids, caffeine and other stuff... how would the WCA test for this stuff?

It would be impossible. Chess has been in disarray because of some people's desires to get it in the olympics, and hence the drug testing.

 

[beingforitself]

ONLY IDIOTS SMOKE WEED.

Abbreviated list of idiots according to Dene's worldview:

Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman, Simon and Garfunkel, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, Steven King, Pablo Picasso, Michael Bloomberg, Barack Obama.

 

[waffle=ijm]

NO *bangs head on wall*
THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSE TO BE DEAD!

 

[Escher]

Seeing as it's been resurrected;

I tried solving while high the other night...
For bigcubes it's fail, for 2x2 is fail (mostly because going fast actually requires effort), for 3x3 it made me much more consistent (around 11-13) when I could be bothered to turn fast.
It makes teamsolves FAR more amusing though

 

[MalusDB]

I tried solving while high the other night...for 3x3 it made me much more consistent (around 11-13) when I could be bothered to turn fast.

Ressurection 2.0 I guess I was a bit worried about starting a thread about this, but after using the search function I was amazed there were quite a few threads about it. I don't smoke often at all, but did have about 4g over the last month or so once exams ended for a nice chill and night cap every other night I also found that solving 3x3 was alot easier to be consistent timewise, but only when my determination to solve was also consistent, which it most definitely wasn't. Took me an hour to do avg of 12, when normally takes more like half that. Scrambling was a chore.

In terms of it being bad for you, of course it is. But so is burnt toast. It can be used to have an extremely good time, and I've had some of the best moments of my life while under its influence. However I have seen friends go through phases of overindulgence and it makes them less "good" as a person (for want of a better, more fully encapsulating term). Nothing is good in excess, but some things when treated with due respect can be rendered into very enjoyable and otherwise virtually harmless things. I would say there is probably more damage to my self from cubing than smoking weed ( I used a very stiff cube for quite a while and RSI or whatever it is was an issue. I've never had even remotely noticeable after efects of smoking mary jane).

I'd say legalise it but the fact is it doesn't really matter that much because nobody really cares if you are just using it in small amounts, at least where I live. My parents know I've smoked it and all my dad said was "well I've never heard of anybody getting their head kicked in by someone who was hi. Maybe hugged to death..". It's definitely less socially destructive than alcohol or cigarettes. But the govmnt makes so much from these "acceptable" drugs that they can't afford (literally) to turn their backs on it.

 

[insane569]

Me smoke? Hell no. I got other things like cubing minecraft or girls. But for a simple relax why not? So long as its not everyother day. I doubt trying anything 1 time(except heroin, steroids et cetera) will have a long term effect on you. Unless you go all out 1 day. Then your a dipshit and die.

 

[applemobile]

I have a fair personal history with substances, and have been around to view the affects they have on people over time. Anyone that says marijuana is perfectly safe, has not seen the long term affects. Yes many people who use it very sparsely show no signs, and yes it is fine in small doses. But lets face it, not every one stays this way, once a week, turns into once every few days, turns into every day, Soon you cannot sleep without its aid, paranoia, loss of friends, and the downward spiral into depression. I am not an advocate for anything, infact i dislike the whole 'alcohol is fine' culture. Certain clean narcotics are much safer than all of the above, it has been medically proven time and time again. The main issue is miss education.