Tell'em About Jesus!

[waffle=ijm]

I find it funny that this discussion started because of some guy rapping about Jesus.

 

[elcarc]

An attitude as if to say " Show me some proof, and I'll believe" when the proof is all around you.

Just because you cant see it, doesn't mean its not there. (of course, same goes with air)

 

[miniGOINGS]

Fact: It's illogical to believe in something that has no proof/evidence.

Can't argue with that.

Faith is called faith for a reason.

Yes. Agreed.

 

[PatrickJameson]

Fact: It's illogical to believe in something that has no proof/evidence.

Can't argue with that.

Seems like it's illogical to be anything other than agnostic then...

Well this is not true. There are some things on both sides that contradict the other side. Some may call that evidence of their own belief.

I'm not sure if I understood exactly what you mean...
My understanding of the arguments on both sides generally result in finding that there is not a difference in the actual hard things that are being discussed but the interpretations of them; and interpretations alone aren't proof/evidence.
Though I may've misunderstood you.

Meh, I was more trying to say that what someone thinks is proof of something may not be to someone else, like what lofty and me were saying with the 'undisputed evidence' before.

EDIT:

An attitude as if to say " Show me some proof, and I'll believe" when the proof is all around you.

Just because you cant see it, doesn't mean its not there. (of course, same goes with air)

See, now you're just being ignorant. Read over some of lofty's posts and come back when you can discuss this like him. I'm not discussing this with you until you can provide some intellect to the discussion.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

An attitude as if to say " Show me some proof, and I'll believe" when the proof is all around you.

Just because you cant see it, doesn't mean its not there. (of course, same goes with air)

Because something that happens to be transparent is obviously the same thing as an invisible magical spirit that has controlled the universe since he created it. Mhmm...

 

[blade740]

Because something that happens to be transparent is obviously the same thing as an invisible magical spirit that has controlled the universe since he created it. Mhmm...

God is also transparent.

 

[miniGOINGS]

An attitude as if to say " Show me some proof, and I'll believe" when the proof is all around you.

Just because you cant see it, doesn't mean its not there. (of course, same goes with air)

Because something that happens to be transparent is obviously the same thing as an invisible magical spirit that has controlled the universe since he created it. Mhmm...

1. Who said we were talking about a "magical spirit"?
2. He has been in control, but he has not controlled the universe since he created it. He gave us free will, which gives us the option of sin.

 

[Daniel Wu]

An attitude as if to say " Show me some proof, and I'll believe" when the proof is all around you.

Just because you cant see it, doesn't mean its not there. (of course, same goes with air)

Because something that happens to be transparent is obviously the same thing as an invisible magical spirit that has controlled the universe since he created it. Mhmm...

Air's obviously not a great example. A more solid case for a God would be St. Thomas Aquinas's Five Proofs

 

[Escher]

An attitude as if to say " Show me some proof, and I'll believe" when the proof is all around you.

Just because you cant see it, doesn't mean its not there. (of course, same goes with air)

Because something that happens to be transparent is obviously the same thing as an invisible magical spirit that has controlled the universe since he created it. Mhmm...

Air's obviously not a great example. A more solid case for a God would be St. Thomas Aquinas's Five Proofs

Aquinas' 5 proof's can almost all be completely debunked. More on that later.

 

[guitardude7241]

St. Aquinas has one heck of a football team.

 

[elcarc]

I find myself wondering how long this thread will last, until someone goes crazy and starts an argument...

 

[Daniel Wu]

Well it's post 132 and seems fine so far.

 

[Escher]

I've decided that if I beat the 2x2 WR in UK Open I'll become theistic.

 

[miniGOINGS]

I've decided that if I beat the 2x2 WR in UK Open I'll become theistic.

Is this a test of Gods abilities?

 

[Escher]

I've decided that if I beat the 2x2 WR in UK Open I'll become theistic.

Is this a test of Gods abilities?

A test of a deity's abilities to produce lucky scrambles

 

[waffle=ijm]

I've decided that if I beat the 2x2 WR in UK Open I'll become theistic.

Is this a test of Gods abilities?

Or just completely relying on statics, probability and chance....

 

[Escher]

I've decided that if I beat the 2x2 WR in UK Open I'll become theistic.

Is this a test of Gods abilities?

Or just completely relying on statics, probability and chance....

Heeeyyy, and practice

 

[miniGOINGS]

I've decided that if I beat the 2x2 WR in UK Open I'll become theistic.

Is this a test of Gods abilities?

A test of a deity's abilities to produce lucky scrambles

Deuteronomy 6:16 "Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah." (NIV)

 

[waffle=ijm]

oh and practice.

I've decided that if I beat the 2x2 WR in UK Open I'll become theistic.

Is this a test of Gods abilities?

A test of a deity's abilities to produce lucky scrambles

Deuteronomy 6:16 "Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah." (NIV)

Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Page 78 Under the "Eight I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"
"I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou ass..."

 

[Escher]

oh and practice.

I've decided that if I beat the 2x2 WR in UK Open I'll become theistic.

Is this a test of Gods abilities?

A test of a deity's abilities to produce lucky scrambles

Deuteronomy 6:16 "Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah." (NIV)

Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Page 78 Under the "Eight I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"
"I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou ass..."

Dudes, I only ever said 'deity'. Don't jump to conclusions.