The effect of music on cubing-WCA Regulations?

[ChrisBird]

How about we leave the rules as they are and get over the fact we can't listen to music.

There are much more important things to spend our time fighting for. Screw changing the rules, it is just adding complications to an already complex sport.

Drop it and fight for something more important.

Maybe be able to solve while NOT listening to music, for example.

I do, but even after weeks of no-music practice I still get significantly better times while listening to music.

Practice more.

Thats like saying "I think corked bats should be allowed in baseball because no matter how much I try with a non-corked one, I can't hit it as far"

It is against the rules in order to make it FAIR. Leave it that way.

It isn't fair because some people are fast without music, and some are slow without it.

Hahaha.

"It's not fair that Erik averages 9-10 seconds and I average 21, he is so much better then me it's not fair!"

Sounds like a stupid reason to complain.

It would be like allowing steroids into sports "just to level the playing field, because some people aren't born to be football players"

 

[Feanaro]

How about we leave the rules as they are and get over the fact we can't listen to music.

There are much more important things to spend our time fighting for. Screw changing the rules, it is just adding complications to an already complex sport.

Drop it and fight for something more important.

Maybe be able to solve while NOT listening to music, for example.

I do, but even after weeks of no-music practice I still get significantly better times while listening to music.

Practice more.

Thats like saying "I think corked bats should be allowed in baseball because no matter how much I try with a non-corked one, I can't hit it as far"

It is against the rules in order to make it FAIR. Leave it that way.

It isn't fair because some people are fast without music, and some are slow without it.

Hahaha.

"It's not fair that Erik averages 9-10 seconds and I average 21, he is so much better then me it's not fair!"

Sounds like a stupid reason to complain.

It would be like allowing steroids into sports "just to level the playing field, because some people aren't born to be football players"

+9,000

 

[jcuber]

How about we leave the rules as they are and get over the fact we can't listen to music.

There are much more important things to spend our time fighting for. Screw changing the rules, it is just adding complications to an already complex sport.

Drop it and fight for something more important.

Maybe be able to solve while NOT listening to music, for example.

I do, but even after weeks of no-music practice I still get significantly better times while listening to music.

Practice more.

Thats like saying "I think corked bats should be allowed in baseball because no matter how much I try with a non-corked one, I can't hit it as far"

It is against the rules in order to make it FAIR. Leave it that way.

It isn't fair because some people are fast without music, and some are slow without it.

Hahaha.

"It's not fair that Erik averages 9-10 seconds and I average 21, he is so much better then me it's not fair!"

Sounds like a stupid reason to complain.

It would be like allowing steroids into sports "just to level the playing field, because some people aren't born to be football players"

Based on your comments, I have a feeling you aren't faster with music. Therein lies the problem. Those who are better with it will probably push for it, where those music has no effect on will want it to stay the way it is so that they have less competition.

 

[ChrisBird]

How about we leave the rules as they are and get over the fact we can't listen to music.

There are much more important things to spend our time fighting for. Screw changing the rules, it is just adding complications to an already complex sport.

Drop it and fight for something more important.

Maybe be able to solve while NOT listening to music, for example.

I do, but even after weeks of no-music practice I still get significantly better times while listening to music.

Practice more.

Thats like saying "I think corked bats should be allowed in baseball because no matter how much I try with a non-corked one, I can't hit it as far"

It is against the rules in order to make it FAIR. Leave it that way.

It isn't fair because some people are fast without music, and some are slow without it.

Hahaha.

"It's not fair that Erik averages 9-10 seconds and I average 21, he is so much better then me it's not fair!"

Sounds like a stupid reason to complain.

It would be like allowing steroids into sports "just to level the playing field, because some people aren't born to be football players"

Based on your comments, I have a feeling you aren't faster with music. Therein lies the problem. Those who are better with it will probably push for it, where those music has no effect on will want it to stay the way it is so that they have less competition.

Haha, blaming my cube speeds for my opinions. Very funny, interesting tactic, but it fails.

Music isn't allowed, why? Because you don't need music to cube, and it prevents people from cheating.

This is a CUBING competition, not a Cubing while listening to music comp.

If you need music to be good, you aren't using your own skills, but relying on the adrenaline rush from fast music to make you better.
Which is in itself is fail.

 

[jcuber]

How about we leave the rules as they are and get over the fact we can't listen to music.

There are much more important things to spend our time fighting for. Screw changing the rules, it is just adding complications to an already complex sport.

Drop it and fight for something more important.

Maybe be able to solve while NOT listening to music, for example.

I do, but even after weeks of no-music practice I still get significantly better times while listening to music.

Practice more.

Thats like saying "I think corked bats should be allowed in baseball because no matter how much I try with a non-corked one, I can't hit it as far"

It is against the rules in order to make it FAIR. Leave it that way.

It isn't fair because some people are fast without music, and some are slow without it.

Hahaha.

"It's not fair that Erik averages 9-10 seconds and I average 21, he is so much better then me it's not fair!"

Sounds like a stupid reason to complain.

It would be like allowing steroids into sports "just to level the playing field, because some people aren't born to be football players"

Based on your comments, I have a feeling you aren't faster with music. Therein lies the problem. Those who are better with it will probably push for it, where those music has no effect on will want it to stay the way it is so that they have less competition.

Haha, blaming my cube speeds for my opinions. Very funny, interesting tactic, but it fails.

Music isn't allowed, why? Because you don't need music to cube, and it prevents people from cheating.

This is a CUBING competition, not a Cubing while listening to music comp.

If you need music to be good, you aren't using your own skills, but relying on the adrenaline rush from fast music to make you better.
Which is in itself is fail.

I wasn't blaming your speeds, just your relative speeds when you are and aren't using music. I will continue this "debate" no further.

 

[Feanaro]

"I wasn't blaming your speeds, just your relative speeds when you are and aren't using music. I will continue this "debate" no further."

Sounds like what congressman say when they know they are beaten, but won't admit it...

 

[xXdaveXsuperstarXx]

PEOPLE NEED TO USE THEIR HEADS!
I can imagine music in my head if I want too.
Or maybe that's just me.

 

[jcuber]

"I wasn't blaming your speeds, just your relative speeds when you are and aren't using music. I will continue this "debate" no further."

Sounds like what congressman say when they know they are beaten, but won't admit it...

True. I just don't want to get into a huge fight over something that is quite trivial compared to how far the argument would go...

 

[rjohnson_8ball]

I would not like to hear the "tink" and "click" sounds coming from someone else's earphones while I am concentrating on a solve or BLD solve. I could get distracted trying to guess what song the person is listening to. I would not want to hear an involuntary grunt or tapping to the rhythm of the music.

 

[Paul Wagner]

Why don't they make it listen to music at your own risk. Because I can put my music on after I'm done inspecting or because I don't take more than 5 seconds to inspect anyway. So in conclusion, "Listen to music at your own risk during speedsolves, fewest moves challenge or feet.

 

[ChrisBird]

Why don't they make it listen to music at your own risk. Because I can put my music on after I'm done inspecting or because I don't take more than 5 seconds to inspect anyway. So in conclusion, "Listen to music at your own risk during speedsolves, fewest moves challenge or feet.

Not that simple, it is best to just say no music at all, then no cheating etc.

 

[jcuber]

Why don't they make it listen to music at your own risk. Because I can put my music on after I'm done inspecting or because I don't take more than 5 seconds to inspect anyway. So in conclusion, "Listen to music at your own risk during speedsolves, fewest moves challenge or feet.

Not that simple, it is best to just say no music at all, then no cheating etc.

I agree with Paul here, if you can't hear the judge or something you get your penaly. You shouldn't have the music loud enough to the point where it disturbs others/makes it so you can't hear your judge anyway, so it shouldn't be a MAJOR problem.

 

[mark3]

Why don't they make it listen to music at your own risk. Because I can put my music on after I'm done inspecting or because I don't take more than 5 seconds to inspect anyway. So in conclusion, "Listen to music at your own risk during speedsolves, fewest moves challenge or feet.

Not that simple, it is best to just say no music at all, then no cheating etc.

I agree with Paul here, if you can't hear the judge or something you get your penaly. You shouldn't have the music loud enough to the point where it disturbs others/makes it so you can't hear your judge anyway, so it shouldn't be a MAJOR problem.

Why should we want to change the rules so you can get an average 2 seconds better than without music? You could be like everyone else who gets great times in comps and learn to do it without the aid of music. Here is an easy 3 step program.

1. Turn off the music
2.Cube
3. Don't turn the music back on.

Simple as that.

 

[ChrisBird]

Why don't they make it listen to music at your own risk. Because I can put my music on after I'm done inspecting or because I don't take more than 5 seconds to inspect anyway. So in conclusion, "Listen to music at your own risk during speedsolves, fewest moves challenge or feet.

Not that simple, it is best to just say no music at all, then no cheating etc.

I agree with Paul here, if you can't hear the judge or something you get your penaly. You shouldn't have the music loud enough to the point where it disturbs others/makes it so you can't hear your judge anyway, so it shouldn't be a MAJOR problem.

Even if it isn' major a problem is still a problem.

What you are saying is along the lines of "Take steroids and play in the major leagues if you want, you run the risk of wrecking your body, but in the process get better by somthing other then skill"

 

[Paul Wagner]

Those are completely different situations.

Steroids physically make you stronger.

Music can have an affect on your rhythm of turning I suppose.

 

[jcuber]

Why don't they make it listen to music at your own risk. Because I can put my music on after I'm done inspecting or because I don't take more than 5 seconds to inspect anyway. So in conclusion, "Listen to music at your own risk during speedsolves, fewest moves challenge or feet.

Not that simple, it is best to just say no music at all, then no cheating etc.

I agree with Paul here, if you can't hear the judge or something you get your penaly. You shouldn't have the music loud enough to the point where it disturbs others/makes it so you can't hear your judge anyway, so it shouldn't be a MAJOR problem.

Why should we want to change the rules so you can get an average 2 seconds better than without music? You could be like everyone else who gets great times in comps and learn to do it without the aid of music. Here is an easy 3 step program.

1. Turn off the music
2.Cube
3. Don't turn the music back on.

Simple as that.

I am not concerned with 2 seconds, it makes a drastic difference in my times, particularly 7x7.

 

[jcuber]

I don't think you should have anything to aid your solve, and since you said music helps you, that makes it wrong in my book.

So we all have to use bad, unlubed and un-broken in storeboughts like at the first WC?

 

[jtjogobonito]

Why don't they make it listen to music at your own risk. Because I can put my music on after I'm done inspecting or because I don't take more than 5 seconds to inspect anyway. So in conclusion, "Listen to music at your own risk during speedsolves, fewest moves challenge or feet.

You obviously don't realize that almost every time someone messes up during inspection, whether it be going over fifteen seconds resulting in a +2/DNF or not starting the timer (If a person is listening to a faster song they may not realize they are moving faster than normal), delays the competition, for at least 30 seconds per mess-up. Also, if a judge is not sure about a certain they will ask the delegate that is present at the competition. If this delegate is busy handling another mess-up, then that adds even more delay to the competition. As you know, competitions have little to no time to spare, especially in the Northeast.

In conclusion, why risk it?

P.S. You only take about 5 seconds for inspection because you use it very basically. Once you learn some more advanced techniques, you will realize that you can use almost all of your inspection time planning out your first steps.

 

[mark3]

Why don't they make it listen to music at your own risk. Because I can put my music on after I'm done inspecting or because I don't take more than 5 seconds to inspect anyway. So in conclusion, "Listen to music at your own risk during speedsolves, fewest moves challenge or feet.

Not that simple, it is best to just say no music at all, then no cheating etc.

I agree with Paul here, if you can't hear the judge or something you get your penaly. You shouldn't have the music loud enough to the point where it disturbs others/makes it so you can't hear your judge anyway, so it shouldn't be a MAJOR problem.

Why should we want to change the rules so you can get an average 2 seconds better than without music? You could be like everyone else who gets great times in comps and learn to do it without the aid of music. Here is an easy 3 step program.

1. Turn off the music
2.Cube
3. Don't turn the music back on.

Simple as that.

I am not concerned with 2 seconds, it makes a drastic difference in my times, particularly 7x7.

Maybe give my simple 3 step program a try for a couple of months (or years) and you will never know the difference.

 

[miniGOINGS]

I don't time myself listening to music because when I go to a comp, I don't want my times to drop all of the sudden because I'm not listening to music.