What event would you like to become WCA official?

[Ton]

I would like to see magic, master magic and feet removed

 

[Ellis]

I would like to see magic, master magic and feet removed

*hides feet* YOU WONT GET MINE

I do agree though, those events are kind of silly

 

[Faz]

2x2 BLD for the win.

 

[shelley]

The pyraminx should be replaced by the tetraminx, which is the same thing but without twisty tips. The tips of the pyraminx are trivial and aren't indicative of puzzle solving ability anyway.

 

[soccerking813]

I would like to see magic, master magic and feet removed

I agree with the magic, All that it is is everyone doing the same series of moves pretty much.
Solving with feet is kinda weird too...

The skewb looks like it would be a nice puzzle, and maybe the 4 layer square-1.
Petaminx would be awesome when it gets mass produced.

 

[Jason]

Shall we just stick to events that people would like to see added in this string, rather than events to be removed, otherwise it's just going to degenerate into the old "Magic isn't even a real puzzle" argument.

I would like the skewb to be added, as well as some sort of team solve.
...and 7x7 Fewest Moves (not really)

 

[Ton]

Yes I go for teamsolve, will need clear regulations though, regulation will be complex since communicating is possible in so many ways, how could we prevent any communication....

 

[Faz]

Well, why would communication not be allowed?

 

[Ellis]

Well, why would communication not be allowed?

Because it normally isn't. It wouldn't be fun or nearly as challenging if it were allowed. You could just say the moves to the other person.

I think Team BLD would be better than Team solves.

 

[TMOY]

IMHO teamsolve is a silly event. It really requires both members of the team to use the same methods with the same algs to work well, OK if you have a regular partner you can get good times at it but you can't easily perform it with a random partner. Team BLD doesn't have such harsh requirements, and is thus much nicer.
And I agree that Skewb would be a nice addition to the list of official events.

 

[qqwref]

Having a team event would be really weird.

I mean, how do you rank it, exactly? If one person is in two different teams in the world rank do you count both or only the fastest one? Would a person's WCA profile have all teams they've been in, or would each team get a separate profile? If the two people in a team are from a different country, which country does the record count for? (Or does it count for both countries? But that would be weird, you could set two different continental records at once! How would you display that?) Can one person be in more than one team in a single competition? (If they can, would that mean one person can win both a 1st and a 2nd prize?) Do you have one scorecard per team or two?


As for communication in teamsolves, I suggest that "no verbal communication" is the rule. Sure, other types of communication can get by, but it's better to allow that then to be extremely strict (he's itching his back or pointing to a piece! that's communication!). Besides it is possible to unconsciously communicate what you are trying to do on the cube (without you or your teammate realizing it) and it seems like it would be harsh to penalize people for that. Restricting only verbal communication would be easier to enforce and much clearer.

 

[JBCM627]

IMHO teamsolve is a silly event.

Imho teamsolve is awesome, bld or speed

A relay style speed team solve probably wouldn't work well since you can't regulate who spends how much time solving, but alternating moves or something would work well. I got down to ~:45 with one of my friends a couple years ago... so it isn't too slow of an event.

I mean, how do you rank it, exactly?

On the events page, against others? Like this, where each unique relay receives its own ranking:
http://www.stxavier.org/s/106/stxavier.aspx?sid=106&gid=1&pgid=929

If one person is in two different teams in the world rank do you count both or only the fastest one?

On the individual competitors pages, only the fastest relay time could be shown at the top, such as:
18 J Barbiere, J Mertens, D Mosko, C Hessler 01:34.78 Canton 2006

Can one person be in more than one team in a single competition? ... Do you have one scorecard per team or two?

In sports, you can only be a competitor on one relay team per event, which gets one scorecard.

 

[Jason]

Communication is an issue for a team solve. Having a Team BLD event would be easier. As for ranking, I don't think there should be any problems. You would just have your best time on your page with the name of your team partner next to it. If you're in 2 different teams, only your best time of the 2 teams would appear in the world ranking, with maybe your fastest partner's name associated with your for that time.
Basically, just treat the team time as an individual time in the WCA rankings and pages, and your partner next to it on your page.
I don't think the problem is insurmountable, or even that complicated to solve.

 

[kajitatsu]

I could imagine so many people yelling randomly in team BLD xD

 

[Stefan]

Skewb
SpeedBLD with 20 minutes planning limit
TeamBLD

About normal (sighted) teamsolving: Besides the communication issue, the moves are also hard to administer. How do you make sure the solvers really make alternating single moves? What does the judge do if he thinks one solver just made two moves?

I feel [Skewb is] more deserving as an official event than certain other puzzles that are official.

Did you just call the magics "puzzles"?

square-1 BLD necessitates tracing the positions through cubeshape.
the only way to get a decent time will be to get a lucky scramble.

Nope. You don't have to trace the positions through cubeshape. At least not during the attempt.

 

[qqwref]

You know of a way to do sq1BLD without going to cubeshape first? I'd be interested to hear it.

 

[PatrickJameson]

You know of a way to do sq1BLD without going to cubeshape first? I'd be interested to hear it.

Seconded.

I always wanted to do sq-1 BLD. Once you get past tracing cubeshape it seems like it would be quite easy.

 

[Stefan]

You know of a way to do sq1BLD without going to cubeshape first? I'd be interested to hear it.

I do (but just theoretically, no more than you), but that's not what I said. What I said was you don't need to on-the-fly trace pieces through several moves until cube shape. You could *learn* transition tables from all shapes to cube shape *beforehand*. Once you've done that, it should be much easier and not as time-consuming. It's a lot to learn, of course. But it's just one extreme end, learning transitions for all shapes. The other extreme end is knowing only the cube shape. One method between those two extremes is to learn transitions for a subset of all shapes so that any shape is at most one move away from one of those, so you have very little to trace during the attempt.

 

[TMOY]

About normal (sighted) teamsolving: Besides the communication issue, the moves are also hard to administer. How do you make sure the solvers really make alternating single moves? What does the judge do if he thinks one solver just made two moves?

And what does count as a move ? If you allow U4s and such, then a good strategy could be to let the fastest member of the team do whatever he wants while the slowest one only applies trivial moves, which completely defeats the purpose of teamsolving...

 

[MatsBergsten]

The fault with 2x2BLD is easy eliminated if you don't do "best of three" but
average of three/five. Then fluke-solves are not counted.

I would like 3x3BLD as average of three (all three solves counted, no dnf:s
allowed) or normal average of five. Then the easiness of the scrambles do
not count as much.