Any new news on world championship 2009?

All of you guys who are saying that "flights will get cheaper", or are implying it, you're all dead wrong.

If you look at oil prices, they're going to keep rising as the supply in Saudi Arabia goes down to nothing, at which point Canada will be refining and mining oil at like $900 a barrel, selling it at ~$1500. Airline prices would go from $600 for a one-way ticket to Europe to about $2000, if you do the math across how much a plane needs to get from Canada / US --> Europe.

sorry to be the pessimist, but look at the global economy right now, nothing's looking too great, no matter what standpoint you take on it.


I want to go to a WC that will once again be held in Toronto, if it's possible.
Otherwise, I'll just stick to Canadian Cubing competitions.
 
All of you guys who are saying that "flights will get cheaper", or are implying it, you're all dead wrong.

If you look at oil prices, they're going to keep rising as the supply in Saudi Arabia goes down to nothing, at which point Canada will be refining and mining oil at like $900 a barrel, selling it at ~$1500. Airline prices would go from $600 for a one-way ticket to Europe to about $2000, if you do the math across how much a plane needs to get from Canada / US --> Europe.

sorry to be the pessimist, but look at the global economy right now, nothing's looking too great, no matter what standpoint you take on it.


I want to go to a WC that will once again be held in Toronto, if it's possible.
Otherwise, I'll just stick to Canadian Cubing competitions.

Two points:

1) When people mean that flights will get cheaper, they mean in just a few months. Unless Saudi Arabia is going to run out of oil this year, but I didn't see that memo.
2) I doubt Worlds would ever be held in Toronto again, considering there are many places that haven't held it, and the idea is to spread it around.
 
I doubt Worlds would ever be held in Toronto again, considering there are many places that haven't held it, and the idea is to spread it around.

Bryan, i am surprised to read this from you. Ever is a very long time. Even the Olympics repeat in cities over the years. I'd appreciate it if you didn't rule us out for the rest of eternity.
 
All of you guys who are saying that "flights will get cheaper", or are implying it, you're all dead wrong.

If you look at oil prices, they're going to keep rising as the supply in Saudi Arabia goes down to nothing, at which point Canada will be refining and mining oil at like $900 a barrel, selling it at ~$1500. Airline prices would go from $600 for a one-way ticket to Europe to about $2000, if you do the math across how much a plane needs to get from Canada / US --> Europe.

sorry to be the pessimist, but look at the global economy right now, nothing's looking too great, no matter what standpoint you take on it.


I want to go to a WC that will once again be held in Toronto, if it's possible.
Otherwise, I'll just stick to Canadian Cubing competitions.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

1) Oil production goes up and down depending on supply/demand and is regulated by OPEC, but there is so much oil left in the ground it's ridiculous. Yes, eventually there will not be much oil, but it's going to be a very, very long time.

2) Oil is a commodity, and commodity pricing fluctuates greatly, but it will not skyrocket and run the risk of being underused.

3) OIL WILL NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR 900 dollars a barrel in the near future. I have no idea where you came up with that insane number. You realize that's EIGHTEEN times what it is now, right? Also, your idea that oil prices keep going up is silly. We reached a high last summer but prices now are lower than they were 5 years ago. It's cyclic.

4) Your "math" makes absolutely no sense. Even with your crazy numbers. You do realize that planes take more than one person, right?

5) Plane tickets to Europe will remain cheap because people aren't traveling. The infrastructure for travel is already built, and they have to sell the seats. This is the best time to travel to Europe from the United States in recent memory because the prices have gone down considerably.

6) tickets are cheap and will remain relatively cheap for a while to head to Germany and the rest of Europe. Now, I can't say the absolute best rate will be there in a few weeks, but your knee-jerk alarmism shouldn't scare people into not taking their time planning out their trip.

All in all, please spare us your whimsical predictions on the worldwide oil markets and their affects on international travel.
 
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I doubt Worlds would ever be held in Toronto again, considering there are many places that haven't held it, and the idea is to spread it around.

Bryan, i am surprised to read this from you. Ever is a very long time. Even the Olympics repeat in cities over the years. I'd appreciate it if you didn't rule us out for the rest of eternity.

Well, the Olympics need underlying infrastructure that is very rare, so repeating there does have some higher chances.

But you're right, I shouldn't rule out Toronto forever. But I'm guessing it's not going to be in the top running when Worlds is held in North America until a few NA cities have hosted.

But maybe I'm completely wrong. Perhaps some Toronto venue will make a great proposal to hold it and it'll be held there.
 
But you're right, I shouldn't rule out Toronto forever. But I'm guessing it's not going to be in the top running when Worlds is held in North America until a few NA cities have hosted.

You are right, if they were to go back to a continent they would never hold it in the same city again, at least not until other cities have hosted. Like they have had two Worlds in Europe now. Can you remind me which two cities they were in?

All kidding aside, Bryan, i am actually okay with it not being held here. When i go to a Worlds, i would like to have the full travel experience, as well, and not just drive across town. The travel aspect is often what makes the experience that much more special. But i do think it would be suitable to be here at some point again.
 
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

1) Oil production goes up and down depending on supply/demand and is regulated by OPEC, but there is so much oil left in the ground it's ridiculous. Yes, eventually there will not be much oil, but it's going to be a very, very long time.

2) Oil is a commodity, and commodity pricing fluctuates greatly, but it will not skyrocket and run the risk of being underused.

3) OIL WILL NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR 900 dollars a barrel in the near future. I have no idea where you came up with that insane number. You realize that's EIGHTEEN times what it is now, right? Also, your idea that oil prices keep going up is silly. We reached a high last summer but prices now are lower than they were 5 years ago. It's cyclic.

4) Your "math" makes absolutely no sense. Even with your crazy numbers. You do realize that planes take more than one person, right?

5) Plane tickets to Europe will remain cheap because people aren't traveling. The infrastructure for travel is already built, and they have to sell the seats. This is the best time to travel to Europe from the United States in recent memory because the prices have gone down considerably.

6) tickets are cheap and will remain relatively cheap for a while to head to Germany and the rest of Europe. Now, I can't say the absolute best rate will be there in a few weeks, but your knee-jerk alarmism shouldn't scare people into not taking their time planning out their trip.

All in all, please spare us your whimsical predictions on the worldwide oil markets and their affects on international travel.

1) Oil prices are regulated and controlled by the major commodity holders of said commodity -- in this case, America and Saudi Arabia, for the most part. If one day they "decided" there was little to no oil left, then they certainly have the right to charge whatever people will pay them, be it five dollars a barrel or five hundred dollars a barrel.

2) Duh, that's why we have the stock exchange.

3) We said that when barrels of oil were going for about $40 each. Now they're closing in on $175 and we don't believe they'll pass $200 / barrel "anytime within the next twenty years". At least, that's what all the stock analysts told us...

Then again, weren't they wrong about the recession? -- weren't they wrong about "no companies will suffer any severe losses or bankruptcies" (cough cough Lehman, cough cough, AIG bailouts). People are wrong about a lot of things -- our research (scientific research... unless you believe that religion put all the oil in the ground o_O;;) shows that the deeper we drill to find oil, the more expensive it is to extract. The farther down the miners have to go, the more the consumer has to pay to refill their tanks.

When you think about it, crude oil prices CAN go nowhere but up, unless some idiotic stockholder wants to take a major loss by selling at $75/barrel today and try to buy back at $400/barrel the next. It's not going to happen.

4) Planes are almost always full nowadays; even at full capacity some airlines are not breaking even. This is simply an effect of the broken economy and the refusal to let go of precious commodities such as oil for cheaper prices.

Do you want an example? -- in North Dakota gas prices are roughly $1.80 per gallon (3.78 L / gallon). In Canada, in Sudbury, Toronto, Windsor, wherever, gas prices are closing in on $0.90 per litre (~$3.5/gallon). It's almost double!!! -- for simple transportation costs across one minor border? (Vancouver right now, at least where my grandparents live, is $0.96/litre, meaning $3.7 / gallon)

Countries regulate what they control -- and they do it at the expense of other countries' economies. But they don't care -- all a country cares about is its own citizens "well-being"... it's too bad America hasn't set its priorities straight about "fixing their own country"... (I'm sure they will soon, but right now things look VERY disorganized from a Canadian POV)

5) That's from America -- because you guys drill the oil and sell it across states for literally no customs or travel taxes. From Canada, a one-way flight to France is ~$688 CAD.

6) I never said people shouldn't travel -- people who want to go to Worlds will find a way to go to Worlds, if they want it bad enough.
 
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

1) Oil production goes up and down depending on supply/demand and is regulated by OPEC, but there is so much oil left in the ground it's ridiculous. Yes, eventually there will not be much oil, but it's going to be a very, very long time.

2) Oil is a commodity, and commodity pricing fluctuates greatly, but it will not skyrocket and run the risk of being underused.

3) OIL WILL NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR 900 dollars a barrel in the near future. I have no idea where you came up with that insane number. You realize that's EIGHTEEN times what it is now, right? Also, your idea that oil prices keep going up is silly. We reached a high last summer but prices now are lower than they were 5 years ago. It's cyclic.

4) Your "math" makes absolutely no sense. Even with your crazy numbers. You do realize that planes take more than one person, right?

5) Plane tickets to Europe will remain cheap because people aren't traveling. The infrastructure for travel is already built, and they have to sell the seats. This is the best time to travel to Europe from the United States in recent memory because the prices have gone down considerably.

6) tickets are cheap and will remain relatively cheap for a while to head to Germany and the rest of Europe. Now, I can't say the absolute best rate will be there in a few weeks, but your knee-jerk alarmism shouldn't scare people into not taking their time planning out their trip.

All in all, please spare us your whimsical predictions on the worldwide oil markets and their affects on international travel.

1) Oil prices are regulated and controlled by the major commodity holders of said commodity -- in this case, America and Saudi Arabia, for the most part. If one day they "decided" there was little to no oil left, then they certainly have the right to charge whatever people will pay them, be it five dollars a barrel or five hundred dollars a barrel.

2) Duh, that's why we have the stock exchange.

3) We said that when barrels of oil were going for about $40 each. Now they're closing in on $175 and we don't believe they'll pass $200 / barrel "anytime within the next twenty years". At least, that's what all the stock analysts told us...

Then again, weren't they wrong about the recession? -- weren't they wrong about "no companies will suffer any severe losses or bankruptcies" (cough cough Lehman, cough cough, AIG bailouts). People are wrong about a lot of things -- our research (scientific research... unless you believe that religion put all the oil in the ground o_O;;) shows that the deeper we drill to find oil, the more expensive it is to extract. The farther down the miners have to go, the more the consumer has to pay to refill their tanks.

When you think about it, crude oil prices CAN go nowhere but up, unless some idiotic stockholder wants to take a major loss by selling at $75/barrel today and try to buy back at $400/barrel the next. It's not going to happen.

4) Planes are almost always full nowadays; even at full capacity some airlines are not breaking even. This is simply an effect of the broken economy and the refusal to let go of precious commodities such as oil for cheaper prices.

Do you want an example? -- in North Dakota gas prices are roughly $1.80 per gallon (3.78 L / gallon). In Canada, in Sudbury, Toronto, Windsor, wherever, gas prices are closing in on $0.90 per litre (~$3.5/gallon). It's almost double!!! -- for simple transportation costs across one minor border? (Vancouver right now, at least where my grandparents live, is $0.96/litre, meaning $3.7 / gallon)

Countries regulate what they control -- and they do it at the expense of other countries' economies. But they don't care -- all a country cares about is its own citizens "well-being"... it's too bad America hasn't set its priorities straight about "fixing their own country"... (I'm sure they will soon, but right now things look VERY disorganized from a Canadian POV)

5) That's from America -- because you guys drill the oil and sell it across states for literally no customs or travel taxes. From Canada, a one-way flight to France is ~$688 CAD.

6) I never said people shouldn't travel -- people who want to go to Worlds will find a way to go to Worlds, if they want it bad enough.

I'm not going to even bother explaining all the things that were wrong with that again. You're so off base it's ridiculous.
 
3) We said that when barrels of oil were going for about $40 each. Now they're closing in on $175 and we don't believe they'll pass $200 / barrel "anytime within the next twenty years". At least, that's what all the stock analysts told us...

You need to update whatever conspiracy site you're getting your information from, because oil is around $50/barrel.

http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
 
Ouch Germany :(
Going to Germany from Korea is usually expensive. Unless there is a huge price decrease in airlines, I will have to skip this one ㅜㅜ
I was so excited about Hong-Kong... :s
 
2 more years for me...

Man, haven't been involved too long in this community. When I was planning my trip to China, I checked date for WC, and I was like GERMANY!??! lol. gg.
 
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