Is AI better than us at cubing

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So basically I was thinking about this because some AIs apparently are better than us at many games and can generate code and work (not really) . Butttt, is it really better than us at speedcubing? Maybe the obvious answer would be yea, because we have many advanced solvers like batch solver, and insanely quick college robot solvers. But can they really use the ways we do on the Rubik's cube(methods)? I keep asking gpt and gemini about making methods as if they know anything about making algroithems or even solving steps properly, and they keep (in a very kind way lie to me). So maybe some AIs are really advanced and stuff like that, but are they really thoughtful and good at understanding the cube?
 
So basically I was thinking about this because some AIs apparently are better than us at many games and can generate code and work (not really) . Butttt, is it really better than us at speedcubing? Maybe the obvious answer would be yea, because we have many advanced solvers like batch solver, and insanely quick college robot solvers. But can they really use the ways we do on the Rubik's cube(methods)? I keep asking gpt and gemini about making methods as if they know anything about making algroithems or even solving steps properly, and they keep (in a very kind way lie to me). So maybe some AIs are really advanced and stuff like that, but are they really thoughtful and good at understanding the cube?
sometimes whenever i ask AI for cubing help it is so bad at explaining the concepts and algorithms that i pretty much cant use it for anything other than to build a routine (cubing)-as thats what it was built for
 
yes couldnt have said that better myself
Large language models are only really good at sounding correct, not actually being correct. They are not reliable sources of information, and should not be treated as such.

That being said, Computer Kociemba >>>>>>>>>
 
The thjng is it sucks at finding information I kept asking it simple , Tasks it can and does open speedoslving website but , keeps relying on reddit for algroithems information , whats reddit gonna do I mean , 5hey have some but it struggles really badly with finding them, and just makes it up if you dont specify about doing research , on this and that websites
 
The thjng is it sucks at finding information I kept asking it simple , Tasks it can and does open speedoslving website but , keeps relying on reddit for algroithems information , whats reddit gonna do I mean , 5hey have some but it struggles really badly with finding them, and just makes it up if you dont specify about doing research , on this and that websites
 
So basically I was thinking about this because some AIs apparently are better than us at many games and can generate code and work (not really) . Butttt, is it really better than us at speedcubing? Maybe the obvious answer would be yea, because we have many advanced solvers like batch solver, and insanely quick college robot solvers. But can they really use the ways we do on the Rubik's cube(methods)? I keep asking gpt and gemini about making methods as if they know anything about making algroithems or even solving steps properly, and they keep (in a very kind way lie to me). So maybe some AIs are really advanced and stuff like that, but are they really thoughtful and good at understanding the cube?
There is a difference between the "AI" used for batch solver and the robot solver compared to ChatGPT or Gemini. The first are specifically designed and trained on data solely focused on cubing, which means they don't get any outside information to muddle their data set. While ChatGPT or Gemini have been trained on millions, if not billions, of different data sets from all across the internet, which means they can confidently produce false information. Just ask any modern AI to generate some PLL algorithms, and you will understand just how bad they actually are when it comes to very niche hobbies like speedcubing. Additionally, batch solver or the robot solver doesn't use AI as we know it, but rather it's a much more simplified program that likely existed before ChatGPT or Gemini were even being developed. They are purpose-built around cubing data sets, which allows them to be much more efficient than humans or general-knowledge AIs. So to answer your question, no, AI is not better than humans at cubing, especially the AI you are thinking of. Since at the end of the day, AI models are not actually thinking like a human; they are pulling data from the millions of data sets they have been trained on and spitting out something that sounds believable, regardless of whether or not it's actually true. They don't have autonomy as humans do; they are only doing what they are programmed to do. They don't have a concept of thought, so they can't "create" a new speedsolving method; all they can do is pull from existing methods and put words in an order that sounds different, despite that not being true. This is why ChatGPT or Gemini will likely never be able to create a new method. Even a purpose-built program, especially trained on methods, would likely never succeed in creating a new method. As that is just something that requires the ingenuity and creative thought that, as we know, only humans possess.
 
So basically I was thinking about this because some AIs apparently are better than us at many games and can generate code and work (not really) . Butttt, is it really better than us at speedcubing? Maybe the obvious answer would be yea, because we have many advanced solvers like batch solver, and insanely quick college robot solvers. But can they really use the ways we do on the Rubik's cube(methods)? I keep asking gpt and gemini about making methods as if they know anything about making algroithems or even solving steps properly, and they keep (in a very kind way lie to me). So maybe some AIs are really advanced and stuff like that, but are they really thoughtful and good at understanding the cube?
It entirely depends on what you mean by “better at cubing” and “AI”. I’ve listed a few questions and answers below.
- Is there an AI which possesses the critical and creative thinking skills to create a method which surpasses what humans have invented? No, not yet at least.
- Can technology, including AI, be used in order to aid in method and algorithm development? Absolutely.
- Are there computer programs which can generate better solutions than humans can find? Yes, that’s been the case for decades.
They’re based on exhaustive search, heuristics, and optimization algorithms rather than human-style reasoning. You can read about them here.
- Can ChatGPT find a better solution than you can? Doubtful; it doesn’t really even have a solid model of what a Rubik’s cube is and how it physically operates, and it won’t gain those skills unless it’s trained specifically for that purpose. The biggest thing it’s missing is an internal state tracker—this is also why LLMs get very confused by chess.
- Can robots solve Rubik’s cubes faster than we can? For sure; the record for 3x3 is 0.103 seconds.
- Can you train a neural network to be very good at solving a virtual Rubik’s cube? Yes, and it’d be a super fun coding project! I recommend reading up on AlphaZero, which is a chess bot which was able to beat the strongest chess engine in the world and was trained with zero outside instruction (other than being given the rules of chess and the ability to play games against itself) purely via reinforcement learning.

There is a difference between the "AI" used for batch solver and the robot solver compared to ChatGPT or Gemini. The first are specifically designed and trained on data solely focused on cubing, which means they don't get any outside information to muddle their data set. While ChatGPT or Gemini have been trained on millions, if not billions, of different data sets from all across the internet, which means they can confidently produce false information. Just ask any modern AI to generate some PLL algorithms, and you will understand just how bad they actually are when it comes to very niche hobbies like speedcubing. Additionally, batch solver or the robot solver doesn't use AI as we know it, but rather it's a much more simplified program that likely existed before ChatGPT or Gemini were even being developed. They are purpose-built around cubing data sets, which allows them to be much more efficient than humans or general-knowledge AIs. So to answer your question, no, AI is not better than humans at cubing, especially the AI you are thinking of. Since at the end of the day, AI models are not actually thinking like a human; they are pulling data from the millions of data sets they have been trained on and spitting out something that sounds believable, regardless of whether or not it's actually true. They don't have autonomy as humans do; they are only doing what they are programmed to do. They don't have a concept of thought, so they can't "create" a new speedsolving method; all they can do is pull from existing methods and put words in an order that sounds different, despite that not being true. This is why ChatGPT or Gemini will likely never be able to create a new method. Even a purpose-built program, especially trained on methods, would likely never succeed in creating a new method. As that is just something that requires the ingenuity and creative thought that, as we know, only humans possess.
What you’re saying here is broadly true, but there’s a lot of inaccuracies:
- Programs like batchsolver don’t use AI at all, instead relying on deterministic algorithms and exhaustive search (incredibly optimized brute force, essentially). See my above point about them for more info.
- A lot of people like to simplify LLMs by saying “they just guess the next word” or “they can’t come up with anything new, just recycle old things.” These are gross oversimplifications and sometimes outright wrong. I don’t feel at all qualified to speak on the technical workings of LLMs, so instead I’ll link this video by 3blue1brown and recommend you watch his other videos on the subject. Keep in mind when learning about AI that the field is changing rapidly and what was true 6 months ago could be remarkably outdated today. However, to the best of my knowledge, that video is a good basic starting point for getting an idea of how these models work.
- While I’m of the personal belief that there is a unique human element which cannot be fully replicated by machines, AI models are demonstrably capable of creating new ideas. Whether or not this is “actual thinking” and “true creativity” is a philosophical question (and quite a loaded one, at that). Regardless, this is a great example of AI’s ability to be novel. Note the article is nearly four years old, and technology has advanced considerably even in that timeframe.

P.S: in researching this post (in an effort to not accidentally misinform), I came across DeepCubeAI (based on the earlier DeepCube[A] work), which is an utterly fascinating testament to how powerful heuristics and reinforcement learning can be. DeepCubeA was given a model of a Rubik’s cube and learned to solve it completely from scratch, and DeepCubeAI went even further and learned both how the cube works and how to solve it purely from visual observations. I wasn’t aware of these when I wrote the earlier point about creating a specialized AI to solve cubes, but still wanted to mention them. I recommend reading the linked papers if you’re interested in the relevant topics.
 
There is a difference between the "AI" used for batch solver and the robot solver compared to ChatGPT or Gemini. The first are specifically designed and trained on data solely focused on cubing, which means they don't get any outside information to muddle their data set. While ChatGPT or Gemini have been trained on millions, if not billions, of different data sets from all across the internet, which means they can confidently produce false information. Just ask any modern AI to generate some PLL algorithms, and you will understand just how bad they actually are when it comes to very niche hobbies like speedcubing. Additionally, batch solver or the robot solver doesn't use AI as we know it, but rather it's a much more simplified program that likely existed before ChatGPT or Gemini were even being developed. They are purpose-built around cubing data sets, which allows them to be much more efficient than humans or general-knowledge AIs. So to answer your question, no, AI is not better than humans at cubing, especially the AI you are thinking of. Since at the end of the day, AI models are not actually thinking like a human; they are pulling data from the millions of data sets they have been trained on and spitting out something that sounds believable, regardless of whether or not it's actually true. They don't have autonomy as humans do; they are only doing what they are programmed to do. They don't have a concept of thought, so they can't "create" a new speedsolving method; all they can do is pull from existing methods and put words in an order that sounds different, despite that not being true. This is why ChatGPT or Gemini will likely never be able to create a new method. Even a purpose-built program, especially trained on methods, would likely never succeed in creating a new method. As that is just something that requires the ingenuity and creative thought that, as we know, only humans possess.
In summary, an ai chatbot like gemini or claude is good at talking and general info. it is trained off the internet usually and trained specifically for discussion, but if someone trained an ai off cubing data, yes it could be useful in cubing and really good at concepts. but since ai is built on past data, it cant really create anything new.

the bots like niss and fmc bots and stuff arent ais but basically a computers brute force like prostar said. an ai trained on cubing data could serve as an actual coach but would need a ton of data to get anywhere.
 
AI is just not good at explaining stuff and AI videos are just not really realistic
Honestly I agree at the explaining stuff a lot(and the non realistic videos) but I think the reason that if u ask an AI for an algorithm it will give u a wrong one because AI is supposed to take info from a lot of different sources so if I ask for it to give me a V perm it might give me all the 21 PLL algorithms combined into a 10 move alg or smthn like that
 
It entirely depends on what you mean by “better at cubing” and “AI”. I’ve listed a few questions and answers below.
- Is there an AI which possesses the critical and creative thinking skills to create a method which surpasses what humans have invented? No, not yet at least.
- Can technology, including AI, be used in order to aid in method and algorithm development? Absolutely.
- Are there computer programs which can generate better solutions than humans can find? Yes, that’s been the case for decades.
They’re based on exhaustive search, heuristics, and optimization algorithms rather than human-style reasoning. You can read about them here.
- Can ChatGPT find a better solution than you can? Doubtful; it doesn’t really even have a solid model of what a Rubik’s cube is and how it physically operates, and it won’t gain those skills unless it’s trained specifically for that purpose. The biggest thing it’s missing is an internal state tracker—this is also why LLMs get very confused by chess.
- Can robots solve Rubik’s cubes faster than we can? For sure; the record for 3x3 is 0.103 seconds.
- Can you train a neural network to be very good at solving a virtual Rubik’s cube? Yes, and it’d be a super fun coding project! I recommend reading up on AlphaZero, which is a chess bot which was able to beat the strongest chess engine in the world and was trained with zero outside instruction (other than being given the rules of chess and the ability to play games against itself) purely via reinforcement learning.


What you’re saying here is broadly true, but there’s a lot of inaccuracies:
- Programs like batchsolver don’t use AI at all, instead relying on deterministic algorithms and exhaustive search (incredibly optimized brute force, essentially). See my above point about them for more info.
- A lot of people like to simplify LLMs by saying “they just guess the next word” or “they can’t come up with anything new, just recycle old things.” These are gross oversimplifications and sometimes outright wrong. I don’t feel at all qualified to speak on the technical workings of LLMs, so instead I’ll link this video by 3blue1brown and recommend you watch his other videos on the subject. Keep in mind when learning about AI that the field is changing rapidly and what was true 6 months ago could be remarkably outdated today. However, to the best of my knowledge, that video is a good basic starting point for getting an idea of how these models work.
- While I’m of the personal belief that there is a unique human element which cannot be fully replicated by machines, AI models are demonstrably capable of creating new ideas. Whether or not this is “actual thinking” and “true creativity” is a philosophical question (and quite a loaded one, at that). Regardless, this is a great example of AI’s ability to be novel. Note the article is nearly four years old, and technology has advanced considerably even in that timeframe.

P.S: in researching this post (in an effort to not accidentally misinform), I came across DeepCubeAI (based on the earlier DeepCube[A] work), which is an utterly fascinating testament to how powerful heuristics and reinforcement learning can be. DeepCubeA was given a model of a Rubik’s cube and learned to solve it completely from scratch, and DeepCubeAI went even further and learned both how the cube works and how to solve it purely from visual observations. I wasn’t aware of these when I wrote the earlier point about creating a specialized AI to solve cubes, but still wanted to mention them. I recommend reading the linked papers if you’re interested in the relevant topics.
Holy essay bro
 
So basically I was thinking about this because some AIs apparently are better than us at many games and can generate code and work (not really) . Butttt, is it really better than us at speedcubing? Maybe the obvious answer would be yea, because we have many advanced solvers like batch solver, and insanely quick college robot solvers. But can they really use the ways we do on the Rubik's cube(methods)? I keep asking gpt and gemini about making methods as if they know anything about making algroithems or even solving steps properly, and they keep (in a very kind way lie to me). So maybe some AIs are really advanced and stuff like that, but are they really thoughtful and good at understanding the cube?
ai cant do anything bruh 😭 🙏
 
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