The Orcuber's Hunt For The Best 3x3 Method

[acrystal]

Just an idea… but what about solving LXS and EO at the same time for APB?

idk anything abt LXS, but that would probably take ALOT of algs

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

Just an idea… but what about solving LXS and EO at the same time for APB?

There’s actually already an alg set for BR pair+EO, but there’s like way too many and it’s not necessary for the method anymore. Doing LXS+EO would just be a worst version of that because LXS is meant to be the more ergonomic part of the method, which would mean it would also be the most TPS spammable. Solving EO with that would make

idk anything abt LXS, but that would probably take ALOT of algs

There’s an algset of LXS, and it’s around 100+ algs iirc
but it’s not necessary since LXS is just solving F2L with RU gen

 

[acrystal]

I focus primarily on xCross, cross +1 and last layer optimization, so see you guys later!

How? X-Cross is just luck, if we were to find a step for this, it would be tough to find it.

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

X-Cross is just luck,

bro what
not all xcrosses are just made from making an easy block then trying to solve cross while not trying to mess it up

 

[acrystal]

bro what
not all xcrosses are just made from making an easy block then trying to solve cross while not trying to mess it up

yeah, true enough, so lets start our goal on making an x-cross fast and make it our first step, ok? if so, should it take 1 or 2 steps?

 

[acrystal]

we could try cross-1 with 1 f2l pair to make like an unfinished 2x2x3 block
edit: maybe add EO if not too hard too make or learn

 

[Martyt7777]

X-Cross is just luck

Wait, so top cubers are just luckier than us? I guess being slow is not my fault /s

we could try cross-1 with 1 f2l pair to make like an unfinished 2x2x3 block
edit: maybe add EO if not too hard too make or learn

cross-1 is 3 edges right?

 

[Jared Burkhart]

yeah, true enough, so lets start our goal on making an x-cross fast and make it our first step, ok? if so, should it take 1 or 2 steps?

It doesn't even have to be a step, but xCross requires you to build two 2x1 blocks, pair them and then orient the edge.

 

[acrystal]

Wait, so top cubers are just luckier than us? I guess being slow is not my fault /s

cross-1 is 3 edges right?

yes for both, in fact top speedcubers avg around 5-7.5 sec i think, u r getting confused between avg and pr

It doesn't even have to be a step, but xCross requires you to build two 2x1 blocks, pair them and then orient the edge.

thats technically a step

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

yeah, true enough, so lets start our goal on making an x-cross fast and make it our first step, ok? if so, should it take 1 or 2 steps?

how to make an xcross fast
step 1: find a 1x1x2 block or an xcross edge attached to it’s center
step 2: try to solve the xcross by using several techniques like freefop, keyhole, pseudo, etc.
step 3: execute cleanly
step 4 (optional): be yiheng wang or xuanyi geng (i mean i’m not yiheng or xuanyi and i can make xcrosses easily so)

honestly i think it isn’t a good idea to force an xcross for the first step of the method, unless you’re going for a blockbuilding approach of course. Also it might be better in some cases to just influence your first pair instead of making an xcross.

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

I think we should look in the speedsolving.com wiki and find inspiration (also to make sure we don’t waste our time reinventing an already existing method)
What do we classify as the “best method” though?
The best method theoretically would be:
A method with a sub-50 move count
Highly ergonomic consisting of mainly RU gen
Rotationless
Reasonable alg count (about the same as CFOP, so maybe 100+ algs)
Some other variables could be considered like:
difficulty of lookahead
intutiveness
difficulty of learning
but i assume we are mainly talking about stats like TPS potential, movecount, and alg count.

speedsolving.com wiki page: https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:3x3x3_speedsolving_methods

 

[acrystal]

OK HERES MY NEW PLAN:
X-Cross -1edge: this can be done intuitively (solve front, back, and left edges)(solve back left pair)
Solve 2nd pair with EO: IDK if EO is easy, but if it is, then we can do this step (with front left pair)
Solve Last White Edge: Pretty easy if you ask me
Solve 3rd Pair: This has less cases than F2L, & can be done with R, U, and D moves. (with back right pair)
WV: I thought of using full VLS, but thanks to EO, I only need one of the cases
PLL: Self explanatory, from here the cube is solved

IDC if you dont use this, i will this method until we find a method which is actually better than this

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

OK HERES MY PLAN:
X-Cross -1edge: this can be done intuitively
Solve 2nd pair with EO: IDK if EO is easy, but if it is, then we can do this step
Solve 3rd Pair: This has less cases than F2L, & can be done with R, U, and D moves.
WV: I thought of using full VLS, but thanks to EO, I only need one of the cases
PLL: Self explanatory, from here the cube is solved

IDC if you dont use this, i will this method until we find a metjod which is actually better than this

uhh
where is the xcross solved? The back left? Back right? Front left? Front right?
where do i solve the second pair?
where do i solve the third pair?
wait straight to WV? What happened to that one unsolved cross edge?

 

[acrystal]

my bad i didnt explain it well

where is the xcross solved? The back left? Back right? Front left? Front right?

the front, left, and right right should be solved with the X-Cross in the Front-left

where do i solve the second pair?

Front-right, the edges next to it are solved anyway

where do i solve the third pair?

you would solve the last white edge, then solving the back-left pair

wait straight to WV? What happened to that one unsolved cross edge?

srry, i forgot t mention that

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

my bad i didnt explain it well

the front, left, and right right should be solved with the X-Cross in the Front-left

Front-right, the edges next to it are solved anyway

you would solve the last white edge, then solving the back-left pair

srry, i forgot t mention that

so the flow chart is:
xcross in the front left, second pair in the front right + EO, then the back left pair with the last white edge, then WV in the back right?

wait…
this sounds like freefop with EO sprinkled in
or a worse version of APB if I understand your method

 

[acrystal]

so the flow chart is:
xcross in the front left, second pair in the front right + EO, then the back left pair with the last white edge, then WV in the back right?

wait…
this sounds like freefop with EO sprinkled in
or a worse version of APB if I understand your method

well the back edge is not solved in the the first step, but you got everything corect
and i dont know APB, but i got all of this from jared's x-cross

 

[Martyt7777]

well the back edge is not solved in the the first step, but you got everything corect
and i dont know APB, but i got all of this from jared's x-cross

APB is basically where you solve a 2x2x3 block in the back left, then you solve the back right pair, then solve EO, finishing off the 1st and 2nd layers, then doing ZBLL

 

[acrystal]

APB is basically where you solve a 2x2x3 block in the back left, then you solve the back right pair, then solve EO, finishing off the 1st and 2nd layers, then doing ZBLL

What happened to LXS

 

[Martyt7777]

What happened to LXS

Forgot to mention “finishing off the 1st and 2nd layers” aka inserting the last edge and the last pair at the same time was LXS

 

[acrystal]

Forgot to mention “finishing off the 1st and 2nd layers” aka inserting the last edge and the last pair at the same time was LXS

K, so now what should we do next bro