Another Hard Challenge

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So, I was just messing with my cube a second ago, and I had a weird idea. To try and solve the entire cube with only 3-piece rotation. Or A perms and U perms. I was able to get the edge, but I had the cheat a little. :p I have not even started thinking about the corners though. I think this would be possible to do if you scramble with only U and A perms, but I am not sure otherwise, because many times you will need to do an AUF, and you can't do that.

I am going to keep trying this...
 
If you are trying to mis-orient one edge without paying attention to the others, it is possible. I'll try to explain how to.

Hold with white on top and green in front. (In the solve green is the top though)
Do the U perm F2 U R' L F2 L' R U F2. Then z (I think) and do the same alg. The green-White piece is flipped on the white side.
But I'm not sure if it is possible to orient all edges like that.
 
4th Try success about 20 minutes >< my strategy was a blindfold solve approach... the corners were fun and edges were a pain...
 
i got f2l done after about 10 minutes. i had one corner that was proving a pain to orient and i was just moving it around for a while with A's untill it came into the right place. I got a little lost on the last layer, was trying to think of a way to orient the top when i had to stop. might give it another go sometime and plan ahead and try and make sure the tops oriented before i get there.
 
You can solve using setup, alg, undo setup... but you might get a T, J, F, or V perm and your screwed...
I haven't tried this out actually, but I think it sounds neat...
 
Yeah, just R perms (UF-UR UBL-UBR, or that mirrored) and rotations are allowed. And yes you can solve all positions.

Hint: Try solving all the edges first (easy). After that you just need to find a corner 3-cycle and a corner twister.
 
One R-Perm (as long as it has an odd number of quarter-turns) and cube rotations is sufficient to solve any position. You don't even need to use its mirror.

The R-Perm I use (R' U2 R U' F' L F R' F' L' F U' R) and cube rotations will only solve half of all possible positions, since it has an even number of quarter turns.
 
I actually had this silly idea to make a beginner's method with one alg - a modified R perm that swaps BUR-BUL instead of UBR-UBL. (It makes it easier to do corner 3-cycles.) I think it would be an awfully silly thing to do, but I never got around to actually writing it.
 
Try solving a cube with only R perm and rotations (no AUF ever).
Yes, it's always possible :)
An easy but slow way to do it: just try (R-perm) y (R-perm) y (R-perm), after that you will be able to figure out the rest of the solve by yourself :D
 
Now who's going to provide an equally nice proof for U-perm plus A-perm?

There may very well be a simpler proof, but here's one I've come up with.

Proof that all Rubik's cube positions with an even permutation of the corner cubies can be solved using only A-perms, U-perms, and cube rotations.

First, define A-perm as:

A = R B' R F2 R' B R F2 R2

Next, define U-perm as:

P = R2 U' F B' R2 F' B U' R2

Now, it is taken here that it is a well-known fact that all Rubik's cube positions having an even permutation of the corner cubies also have an even permutation of the edge cubies, and can only be solved using an even number of quarter-turns. If a position can be solved using an even number of quarter-turns, we can partition the solution into a sequence of pairs of quarter-turns. Therefore, to complete the proof, we just need to prove that all pairs of quarter-turns can be performed as a combination of A-perms, U-perms, and cube rotations.

For any pair of quarter-turns, a cube rotation can be performed to make the first face to be turned the U face. If the 2nd quarter-turn of the pair is an adjacent face, the cube can be rotated so that the 2nd face to be turned will become the R face. Thus, we only need to prove the condition for the following pairs of quarter-turns:
U2, U R, U R', U' R, U' R', U D, U D', U' D, U' D'.

First, the move U2 can be expressed in terms of the above A-perm and U-perm along with cube rotations as:

U2 = A P y A P y'

Let's assume U R also satisfies the condition. Then, we know that the remaining pairs in the list satisfy the condition by the following algs in terms of U2, (U R), and cube rotations:

U R' = (U R) z' U2 z
U' R = U2 (U R)
U' R' = (U2) (U R) z' U2 z
U D = (U R) z' U2 (U R) z
U D' = (U R) z' U2 (U R) z' U2 z2
U' D = U2 (U R) z' U2 (U R) z
U' D' = U2 (U R) z' U2 (U R) z' U2 z2

Now, all that is left is to prove that (U R) can be performed in terms of A-perms, U-perms and cube rotations.

Before doing that, the following alg for twisting two adjacent corners will be defined. Note that U2 was expressed above in terms of A-perm, U-Perm, and cube rotations; so it is assumed that U2 in the alg below represents the equivalent sequence instead of simply a single U2 turn. (Actually, for this particular alg, the U2 can be replaced simply with (A y A y') since we don't need to move the edge cubies with respect to the centers.)

T = A x' U2 x' U2 x' y A y' x U2 x U2 x

Finally, a formula is provided for (U R) in terms of the above A-perm and U-perm as well as cube rotations (and also the above corner-twisting alg which was defined in terms of the same maneuvers). (Note, A2 means the A-perm alg executed twice, and P2 means the U-perm alg executed twice.)

U R = z' y2 P z' y' P2 y z P2 z' y A2 P2 x' P2 y A2 y2 T z' y2

Hence, all possible pairs of quarter-turns can be performed, so it is possible to solve all Rubik's cube positions with an even permutation of the corner cubies using only cube rotations and the specified A-perm and U-perm.
 
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