How many algorithms should you learn for F2L?

[Nitrophenol]

Hi there, I was wondering about how many algorithms you should learn for F2L. I have memorized the standard 48 cases for F2L. With good lookahead, I get around 12-15, but usually I average around 16. I am noticing that I rotate a lot due to me having to do F or B moves, and I because of that, my lookahead is constantly getting thrown off. Should I memorize all the algorithms I haven’t memorized from J-perms F2L PDF?

 

[Deleted member 36445]

If you already detected a weak point, that is too many rotations, try to learn the cases that are slowing you down.

No need to memorize the entire j-perm f2l PDF, just the ones that involve rotationless inserts and tricks that can help with that problem

Pareto principle - Wikipedia

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also only memorizing f2l algs is not enough, you should avoid rotations by picking cases wisely and influencing edges and next pairs. this can lead to better results than memorizing hundreds of algs. 48 algs is enough if you're smart with solving

watch videos on youtube about rotationless inserts and tricks, they can help a lot

 

[cranberryjuice]

Hi there, I was wondering about how many algorithms you should learn for F2L. I have memorized the standard 48 cases for F2L. With good lookahead, I get around 12-15, but usually I average around 16. I am noticing that I rotate a lot due to me having to do F or B moves, and I because of that, my lookahead is constantly getting thrown off. Should I memorize all the algorithms I haven’t memorized from J-perms F2L PDF?

Question: do you already know intuitive F2L?

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I watched almost all SINGLE video about the subject, and this is one of the best

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Tbh (warning i use intuitive f2l so this might not help if you use algs) If theres an f2l solution I use I normally look for a more efficient solution that doesnt sacrifice tps or better moves (so more R U moves rather then F and D moves, for example)

 

[abunickabhi]

I vouch for intuitive F2L

I tried once to learn algorithmic multislotting, it was not a useful endeavour

 

[Nitrophenol]

Question: do you already know intuitive F2L?

Yes. I have watched the intuitive advanced F2L video by jperm before memorizing the 48 cases.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I vouch for intuitive F2L

I tried once to learn algorithmic multislotting, it was not a useful endeavour

yeah imagine learning thousand of algs for almost no benefit LOL

 

[stoic]

I vouch for intuitive F2L

Most people learn intuitive F2L these days, but as a wiser man than me often used to say here “algorithmic becomes intuitive, and intuitive becomes algorithmic”.

 

[abunickabhi]

Most people learn intuitive F2L these days, but as a wiser man than me often used to say here “algorithmic becomes intuitive, and intuitive becomes algorithmic”.

How does intuitive become algorithmic?

It makes no sense in any perspective yo

 

[stoic]

How does intuitive become algorithmic?

It makes no sense in any perspective yo

Because once you are very used to solving a case it doesn’t matter how you originally learned it - you can trigger it without thinking (while looking ahead).

Personally, I learned all the F2L cases algorithmically but now I don’t really consider that I’m using algs as such - as I understand what’s happening to all the pieces (which furthermore allows me to use e.g. mirrors, edge control).

Make sense?

 

[Nitrophenol]

Yeah. Thats how i do f2l

 

[edward_9x]

Intuitive & algorithmic converge to the same thing (*cough* especially if you do ZZ)
It's like you go from "oh just connect the pieces" to "no, i must do the optimal thing even if i don't understand it" to "yeah you still just connect the pieces"

 

[Nitrophenol]

I’m actually considering switching to zz because of the oll cases.

 

[Garf]

I’m actually considering switching to zz because of the oll cases

My advice: don’t. Easier to get faster with learning OLL than ZZ. Sure you get the benefit of only using 7 algs for OLL, but if you mess up and you don’t know the OLL then you have to adapt to that mistake. Also you have to learn to do EOCross and whatnot, which is good once you learn but takes a while to be fast with it in inspection and solving.

 

[pTr]

I’m actually considering switching to zz because of the oll cases.

if you wanted to reduce OLL algs you could learn how to force good edge orientation during the LS.

 

[LBr]

Use intuitive. I did algorithmic because I couldn’t teach myself intuitive. Yes it basically becomes muscle memory. Then when that’s mastered you can learn algs for bad cases or rotationless solutions

 

[That0newe1rdo]

if you wanted to reduce OLL algs you could learn how to force good edge orientation during the LS.

Yh you can learn some wv, or even tho ive seen many people say not to learn this (e.g Jonathan Permutation) vhls.
For vhls Thats only assuming you dont know full oll since there are 32 cases i think.

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

guys is 2-look OLL not an option???? it’s usually just RUR’U’

you should probably know like all 42 advanced F2L then just experiment with how you could insert into the back then learn some more algs for harder cases. learn some tricks too like r’ U’ R U M’ which can be useful for expeirmenting.

F2L algs are so short that it basically starts to feel like it’s not an algorithm lol

 

[That0newe1rdo]

guys is 2-look OLL not an option???? it’s usually just RUR’U’

you should probably know like all 42 advanced F2L then just experiment with how you could insert into the back then learn some more algs for harder cases. learn some tricks too like r’ U’ R U M’ which can be useful for expeirmenting.

F2L algs are so short that it basically starts to feel like it’s not an algorithm lol

2 Look is a option, but if anyone is going to use 2 llook (e.g me) you should know partial edge control too as it can save some time.
A bit random idk but :
Tbh not wanting to learn 1 look is why i learnt APB (yes ik theres way more algs in that but you can get decent without alot of them)