Mefferts or eastsheen? (4x4x4)
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Cerberus
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Eastsheen avg of 5: 1:17.75
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKsz2veZeg8
Mefferts avg of 5: 1:20.73
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um2MwZ6sXpc
normally I am like 2 seconds faster with the mefferts but not on video ^^ oh and by the way, that eastsheen isn't really broken in, it's the safety one from a friend which he borrowed me and which got solved maybe 80-100 times before..
some few facts from my sight (too lazy to think about writing more right now)...
Mefferts:
Pros:
- cutting corner
- got a real good feel on the outer layers
cons:
- big
- corner pieces can break (2 in one solve at mine -___-)
Eastsheen:
pros:
- amazingly fast right away
- nice smooth feel at all, like there is no friction in this cube..
cons:
- sometimes locks (depending on your turning style too) but not that much as people claim...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKsz2veZeg8
Mefferts avg of 5: 1:20.73
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um2MwZ6sXpc
normally I am like 2 seconds faster with the mefferts but not on video ^^ oh and by the way, that eastsheen isn't really broken in, it's the safety one from a friend which he borrowed me and which got solved maybe 80-100 times before..
some few facts from my sight (too lazy to think about writing more right now)...
Mefferts:
Pros:
- cutting corner
- got a real good feel on the outer layers
cons:
- big
- corner pieces can break (2 in one solve at mine -___-)
Eastsheen:
pros:
- amazingly fast right away
- nice smooth feel at all, like there is no friction in this cube..
cons:
- sometimes locks (depending on your turning style too) but not that much as people claim...
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sorry if this is a dumb questions, when you guys said some pieces of mefferts can break, what do you mean by that? I mean, literally?
puzzlemaster
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lol the pieces can literally snap.
jcuber
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It is quite rare though.
puzzlemaster
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only if you force a ton but i mean who needs to with a mefferts 
not_kevin
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Another con to ES: if used too much, it gets way too loose to use. My ES is currently in that state; I used to solve it in around 1:20, now I can't get sub-1:30 to save my life.
I use a c4y new 4x4x4 now. I can get sub-minute on good solves.
I use a c4y new 4x4x4 now. I can get sub-minute on good solves.
Chuberchuckee
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ccchips296
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There are, but i wouldnt suggest touching them...EVER. Theyre really sensitive and dont really need to be touched.
My ES is still really good...i dont have any problems with it at all. I luv it
but i didnt vote for it because i havent tried a mefferts so i cant really make a comparison...
jcuber
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There are adjustable screws, but they don't do much. Even when they are tightened, they are still loose.
Robert-Y
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There are these pieces between the edges of ES cubes. What if we took them out? Would the cube still turn well? (assuming it already turns well)
not_kevin
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No. After one of them popped in mine (too loose), I took it out of the puzzle. It refused to turn, quite literally. The internal pieces make motion possible on an ES, and also serve to hold the puzzle together.
Robert-Y
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Ok, just randomly looking for solutions to improve the ES cube....
not_kevin
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Actually, I was wondering the same thing, not only on ES 4x4 but on V6. Turns out they serve the same purpose... dangit. There really has to be a way to make ES good again... I tried the sanding thing that daniel0731ex translated, but it didn't work for me.
puzzlemaster
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plus they will need constant adjusting after a certain time when the cube gets loose....even when that happens, tightening them won't really have an effect so you're stuck with a cube that's wayyyy too loose.
byu
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Nakajima uses eastsheen, as said before
And because
Nakajima > Everything cube related
Then
ES > Mefferts
And because
Nakajima > Everything cube related
Then
ES > Mefferts
puzzlemaster
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Robert-Y
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Yeah, Nakajima is the main reason why I haven't given up on my ES yet.
@puzzlemaster: I think you're right about the mechanism being the problem.
@puzzlemaster: I think you're right about the mechanism being the problem.
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puzzlemaster
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how about spring modding it and then rounding all of the pieces? maybe more pop susceptible but possibly more cutting? i also agree that there has to be a way to make it better... lets think about yu's eastsheen.. him playing with it that much must have rounded off which pieces? that being said if we can figure out which pieces were rounded by the turning, we could maybe artificially create this by sanding those pieces.
IamWEB
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Oh his 4x4x4 average of 12 video, Nakajima even put in the description that he was awaiting the arrival of his Mefferts...
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How do these cubes compare in size to the current Rubik's 4x4? It's a nice size, and I wouldn't at all mind a little bigger. Not too much, though...
I wouldn't say I have small hands, but they are definitely not big.
I'm probably going to order a mefferts, but that depends of how big the price difference is, and if a mefferts just seems too big.
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How do these cubes compare in size to the current Rubik's 4x4? It's a nice size, and I wouldn't at all mind a little bigger. Not too much, though...
I wouldn't say I have small hands, but they are definitely not big.
I'm probably going to order a mefferts, but that depends of how big the price difference is, and if a mefferts just seems too big.
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