[WR] Teodor Zajder 2x2 single - 0.43

[Tabe]

Why make it harder? If a puzzle has a low enough puzzle states that 3 movers are not out of the realm of possibility, why disallow them?

For the same reason, we don't allow 1 move solutions.

 

[OtaMota]

For the same reason, we don't allow 1 move solutions.

What is that reason? Why disallow scrambles? A 3 mover is still a scramble, right?

 

[Tabe]

What is that reason? Why disallow scrambles? A 3 mover is still a scramble, right?

1 move solutions are trivial and not a test of skill. There needs to be a balancing of "what's possible" and "what's not trivial". Imagine having a "scramble" just be a U away from solved. There's no skill involved in solving. Literally everyone can do it. That's why they're not allowed (along with the solve time then being basically a function of how fast you can start and stop the timer).

 

[Arcanist]

1 move solutions are trivial and not a test of skill. There needs to be a balancing of "what's possible" and "what's not trivial". Imagine having a "scramble" just be a U away from solved. There's no skill involved in solving. Literally everyone can do it. That's why they're not allowed (along with the solve time then being basically a function of how fast you can start and stop the timer).

I could definitely see a 1 or 2 mover. However, unless already told, I doubt in comp I could see a 4 mover.

 

[espeed]

A 1 mover would technically not be scrambled, since you can get a result without turning the cube.

 

[OtaMota]

1 move solutions are trivial and not a test of skill. There needs to be a balancing of "what's possible" and "what's not trivial". Imagine having a "scramble" just be a U away from solved. There's no skill involved in solving. Literally everyone can do it. That's why they're not allowed (along with the solve time then being basically a function of how fast you can start and stop the timer).

So, for the majority of events, we never use single to determine who is better or who wins a comp. We have averages for a reason. What do singles mean in an RNG sport? Why do we force singles to need skill when its not necessary if having such easy scrambles is the nature of a puzzle?

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

So, for the majority of events, we never use single to determine who is better or who wins a comp. We have averages for a reason. What do singles mean in an RNG sport? Why do we force singles to need skill when its not necessary if having such easy scrambles is the nature of a puzzle?

To add on to that: making 4 movers illegal means making 5 movers more likely, which means a greater probability of getting a faster average due to luck, as 5 movers are already way more common that 4 movers, meaning we can basically neglect the possibility of someone receiving a 4 mover that prodives a counting time with respect to that same probability with a 5 mover.

I'm not motivated enough to do the math rn to check if it really makes a noteworthy difference, but I feel like it does.

 

[CoderGuru]

I know that @NigelTheCuber has an 18 move 1s solve, so longer solutions that are still fast could still be wr

 

[caleb_g]

I know that @NigelTheCuber has an 18 move 1s solve, so longer solutions that are still fast could still be wr

at nigel's tps, he couldve gotten a world record on a 7 mover

 

[OtaMota]

 

[Bingus Ringus McDingus]

Proof that 2x2 isn't entirely luck-based. I counted 5 (or 7) moves, I couldn't tell. (Edit: Checked the description and it was 7 moves. I am stupid).

I also can't tell if that's a ChuWen or a Valk 2, I'm just judging on my sense of sound. (Edit: never mind, I checked the description and it's a ChuWen M. I have a great sense of sound, wow).

This is actually interesting to see this, as it could be seen as a study into how fingertrick-able solutions are more important than movecount sometimes. Maybe the next WR could be a 5 or 6 mover with some sort of easy trigger solution?

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

Proof that 2x2 isn't entirely luck-based. I counted 5 (or 7) moves, I couldn't tell.
I also can't tell if that's a ChuWen or a Valk 2, I'm just judging on my sense of sound.

7, obviously...
(14.3 times 0.49 ≈ ????)

 

[Bingus Ringus McDingus]

7, obviously...
(14.3 times 0.49 ≈ ????)

I edited it, I didn't know whether it was framecounting from the first turn to the last turn or with the pickup and timer stop included. I read the description, and it was 7.

 

[baseballjello67]

To make it that little bit harder. I don't see it getting changed but if it does, I think it would be to increase the minimum.

I don't see it getting changed because the 0.43, 0.47, and 0.49 are all on four-movers, and it's insanely difficult to sub-0.43 a 5-mover, that too in competition. However, maybe they'll remove every current 4-mover, but I don't see a way that they can reasonably get all of them lol.

 

[Tabe]

I don't see it getting changed because the 0.43, 0.47, and 0.49 are all on four-movers, and it's insanely difficult to sub-0.43 a 5-mover, that too in competition. However, maybe they'll remove every current 4-mover, but I don't see a way that they can reasonably get all of them lol.

If they changed it and, again, I'm not suggesting they would or should, I would assume they would start a new set of records.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

If they changed it and, again, I'm not suggesting they would or should, I would assume they would start a new set of records.

The controversy I started omg lol

 

[Davian]

Its really shocking how he has a 33 4x4 single OFFICIALLY!

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

WHat's the shortest 5 mover in terms of time

 

[GloopyGum]

ngl the shortest 5 mover is probably 5 moves long

but don't take my word for it

 

[Skewby_Doo]

I don't see it getting changed because the 0.43, 0.47, and 0.49 are all on four-movers, and it's insanely difficult to sub-0.43 a 5-mover, that too in competition. However, maybe they'll remove every current 4-mover, but I don't see a way that they can reasonably get all of them lol.

I mean Zayn has a 0.42 on a 7 mover though