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DuckubingCuber347's POGression thread. | Progression threads should be banned || It is finished

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Kind of sad it wasn't sub-20, if only I knew full EP.
**21.13 PB single**

(1, 0) / (5, -1) / (1, -2) / (-1, -1) / (-3, 0) / (3, 0) / (0, -2) / (-3, 0) / (6, -3) / (-2, 0) / (2, 0) / (-2, -4) / (-5, 0)



20/0-2/20/24/-2-1/33/ // 6-2/Star (6)
4-3/ // CO Adj/Adj(1)
3-3/3-3/03/-30/30/-30/ // CP -/J(6)
/-1-1/03/11/0-3/-1-1/01 // EP (6)
/-3,0/0,3/0,-3/0,3/2,0/0,2/-2,0/4,0/0,-2/0,2/-1,4/0,-3/ //Parity because I don't know full EP (13)
33 // AUDF


32STM / 21.13sec =1.51TPS


[view at CubeDB.net]( https://cubedb.net/?puzzle=SQ1&titl...full_EP_%2813%29 33_//_AUDF&logosticker=derpy )
 

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a better way to do 6-2/star would be to slice through the middle into paw/paw instead of setting it up into scallop/scallop
 

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I never made an official announcement that I had switched I just said I was going to be switching. I want to learn CP+DF before I switch and have two more to learn. I'm pretty busy so I haven't had to much time and most of my free time has been spent reading. I just got done with 1984 and maybe I'll take a short break before I tackle an 800 page biography on George H. W. Bush.
Nice.
 
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if it does DF edge with CP it is absolutely not worth it and you should just learn PLL
That's literally the basic Lin method. Why would you insert DF without doing anything else and risk getting a bad LL when you can permutate corners while inserting it without adding any extra slices and getting a much better LL?

In certain cases PLL would be the way to go like when DF is already inserted or it flows well but you should also use CP+DF in most solves unless you know PLL+1.
 
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Sub-9 on skewb now. It's pretty amazing considering just under two weeks ago I averaged twelve seconds. I think I'll finally learn Sarah's intermediate now. (For real)

@cuberswoop
I was scared for a moment, then I noticed that it was skewb.
Thank god you're still only a second faster than me on 3x3.
 
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Finally made a PB sheet. Thanks to @BenChristman1 for the sheet. Events with "?" are either currently unknown or I have not been added yet.
 
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Updates on my averages:

2x2: 4.4-4.9
3x3: 15.8-15.9
4x4: Sub-1:15
5x5: Sub-2:30
6x6: 5:10-5:45 (I don't practice enough to be consistent)
OH: Sub-30
Skewb: ?8.7? (I haven't had time to practice Skewb at all)
Square-1: Sub-35 (Hopefully I'll pick it up more after I get the MGC)

PB's singles:
2x2: 1.76
3x3: 10.07
4x4: 55.36
5x5: 2:12.42
6x6: 4:37.76
OH: 19.71
Skewb: 2.21
Sqaure-1: 21.13

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What method are you planning on switching to?
The Nautilus method. I think it has a ton of potential and it's also really fun.

Steps:
1. FB (same as Roux)
2. 2x2x2 block on dbr
3. LS (can be combined with step two)
4. NCLL (CO + CP)
5. L5E

I've already learned NCLL but I've been putting off L5EP so I will try to do that by the end of December (as the thread title suggests I will be switching at the end of the year no matter what). I'd also like to learn some, it not all of NCOLL and start working on easy L5E subsets. I'm also planning on learning Tripod for U and T. In total I have about:

Fifty NLS cases
Forty NCOLL's
Twenty-two Tripods
Eight OLL's
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Four more L5EP's

to learn (124).

This might seem like a lot in just one month but the remaining L5EP's should be very easy, most of NLS is intuitive, I will already know some Tripods and I actually might not even learn T Tripod (11 cases). I will probably keep four of my Dot case algs, and several NCOLL's are just normal NCLL's and I probably won't learn the bad cases.

So in total I will probably only end up learning around fifty to sixty cases in December.
 
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The Nautilus method. I think it has a ton of potential and it's also really fun.
Nautilus is basically just Roux but you have the extra restriction of preserving DB. IMO it is an OK method but it does not have as much potential as Roux due to this restriction. Since the two methods require very similar skill sets, I would say just go for Roux. Or you could try other methods, like Petrus and ZZ both which have plenty to offer!
 
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Nautilus is basically just Roux but you have the extra restriction of preserving DB. IMO it is an OK method but it does not have as much potential as Roux due to this restriction. Since the two methods require very similar skill sets, I would say just go for Roux. Or you could try other methods, like Petrus and ZZ both which have plenty to offer!

I've actually been thinking about it a lot myself the past few weeks and I just don't think it has as much potential as I originally thought, the NSB step just isn't that good and it's tough to be efficient and fluid during this step. NLS is pretty restricted compared to Roux LS and it would probably be better to make SB>LS>DB in which case you basically have Roux. The only real advantage is zero blind spots after NSB and L5E can be done with a single algorithm compared to Roux where a more advanced solver would take two steps. I'm not to confident with ZZ's potential, especially with ZB being a thing. Petrus on the other hand isn't the greatest on it's own but with APB is a fantastic improvement and I think it may be better than Nautilus.

I'm seriously considering switching to APB instead just because I think it has way more potential the Nautilus. The only thing that was holding me back from switching is that the ultimate goal is to learn ZBLL which has 493 (this may be wrong that's just what I have in my head) algorithms and it seemed formidable to me. But, due to a method I started using learning algs is really easy. The method was efficient enough that I learned seventeen OLL's in only two days but I think I could learn up to ten algs a day and the method would work great with ZBLL.

There is also a lot that can be done with APB. 223 can be planned in inspection, something that can't really be done with Nautilus's FB>NSB and it's easier to track pieces building a 2x2x2 than with a 1x2x3 (IMO). While creating your Pair you can recognize edge orientation and be ready to perform the necessary EOpair alg, and, while doing the alg it's easy to trace the pieces so you can go straight into L3P and finish with a ZBLL.

Nautilus, I now feel is better for OS. You could be method neutral between Nautilus and Roux fairly easily and get the same results if using the right method with the right scramble and with Nautilus and APB you can OS between them if you build your 223 on the back and use the Nautilus EO variant.

I haven't made my decision yet but I'm leaning more towards APB everyday.
 

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I'm not to confident with ZZ's potential, especially with ZB being a thing.
I would just like to point out that the majority of ZBLS is pretty trash, and influencing EO even earlier than LS is difficult to do on the fly and is not worth it. ZZ takes care of EO right off the bat, only adding ~2 HTM to the cross solution.
Petrus on the other hand isn't the greatest on it's own but with APB is a fantastic improvement and I think it may be better than Nautilus.

I'm seriously considering switching to APB instead just because I think it has way more potential the Nautilus. The only thing that was holding me back from switching is that the ultimate goal is to learn ZBLL which has 493 (this may be wrong that's just what I have in my head) algorithms and it seemed formidable to me. But, due to a method I started using learning algs is really easy. The method was efficient enough that I learned seventeen OLL's in only two days but I think I could learn up to ten algs a day and the method would work great with ZBLL.
I would suggest joining the ZMS discord server, many people there (myself included) in the process of learning ZBLL and can help with the process! ZBLL developments are actively happening there, with algs constantly being genned, and recently new recog systems have been proposed by OreKehStrah and me.
Anyway, the nice thing about ZBLL is that you don't have to learn it in its entirety to be able to use it. OCLL/PLL is a fast alternative if you do not know the ZBLL alg.
Also, besides LS>ZBLL, there are many other EOLSLL systems.
APB seems like a great method if you like EOLSLL, but prefer a blockbuilding approach.
 
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