Oll

[shawnlee]

Do u have to remember all the OLL?... or only the major 1?

 

[AlexandertheGreat]

You can still have pretty fast solves w/o learning all OLL, but I think you should learn the major ones definitely, which are the ones with all edges correctly oriented (there's about seven of those). If you want to get even faster I do suggest learning all of them though.

 

[shawnlee]

so remember all of them?

 

[aznfury]

You don't have to, but it's recommended.

 

[AvGalen]

First learn the basics (FRUR'U'F', FURU'R'F' and a combination of those two + Sune)
Then learn the other 6 with all edges oriented
Then learn the 8 with no edges oriented (uncommon, but will save you a lot of time if you encounter them)
Then learn the most common ones that you don't know yet
Finally learn the rest

 

[Lotsofsloths]

Do u have to remember all the OLL?... or only the major 1?

What do you mean "or only the major 1?"
Which OLL is the major one, are you talking about Sune(RUR'URU2)?

 

[clincher]

I think he means sune.
I only know the ones to make the cross, sune and finally antisune haha.
But I'm doing well right now I'm concerned about learning all 21 pll

 

[Lotsofsloths]

The 21 PLL shouldn'tbe a prob, im learning them also atm

 

[blindfold cube]

Do u have to remember all the OLL?... or only the major 1?

Like Alexander said, you really don't have to know all OLL. Just the ones that have all edges orientated. One of the advantages of knowing all OLL is being able to deal with any of the 57 patterns immediately. Instead of orientating the edges and so forth, you can just solve the pattern. For me at the moment, i know about/around 14 OLL patterns (these include the 7 patterns that have all edges orientated). I eventually plan to learn all of OLL but that is going to take some time.

If your interested in learning more OLL patterns check this page-

http://www.cubezone.be/oll.html

This site also has PLL.

 

[ZWCoolkid@]

Quick question though, I've been trying to learn the 41 F2Ls before I even begin OLL or PLL. Is this a stupid move like the other cuber friend i have says? I actually have managed to use the beginner's method (fridrich method and then cross, and move corners) to get times up to about 55 seconds with an average of about a minute and 10, but I'm trying to learn true Fridrich (OLL, PLL). Any advice about what I should spend most time learning on now and later?

 

[ExoCorsair]

Hi ZWCoolkid@,

I suggest learning all your PLLs as a priority, followed then with any F2L algorithms you don't know, and lastly OLL.

Honestly, I do not think there is a problem in learning algorithms (as opposed to 'intuitive'). On the plus side, you will probably have the optimal F2L algorithms learned. What it really comes down to is how quickly can you recognize the case, solve it, and repeat with the next F2L case, with minimal pauses.

 

[masterofthebass]

Joel's OLL tutorial is pretty nice, I'm using it now, and can learn a bunch of algorithms at a time w/o tons of work. For the F2L i kinda regret not knowing the optimal algorithms, but you can do either one. I initially didn't set on learning the F2L and wanted to just stick with layer by layer for the first two layers. The PLL is really the most important to know all of them.

 

[badmephisto]

Quick question though, I've been trying to learn the 41 F2Ls before I even begin OLL or PLL. Is this a stupid move like the other cuber friend i have says? I actually have managed to use the beginner's method (fridrich method and then cross, and move corners) to get times up to about 55 seconds with an average of about a minute and 10, but I'm trying to learn true Fridrich (OLL, PLL). Any advice about what I should spend most time learning on now and later?

you are learning the 41 F2L's? This is a TERRIBLE idea. I hope you don't mean you are memorizing the algorithms. F2L can be done intuitively its not hard at all, and if you understand how it works you will be able to modify the algs and speed up your time. Go on youtube and search for "Fridrich F2L" or something, theres a couple of pretty good vids on doing F2L intuitively, including 3 vids that i made.

First get the idea about F2L. See how it works, watch some tutorials, etc.
Then learn the 2-look OLL: meaning you first orient all the edges, and then you do the corners by one out of 7 algorithms.
Then go on to learn the PLL's. Then come back to OLL's, learn the most common cases, etc. etc.

Joel has a nice tutorial on how to do the orientation in 2-look OLL:
http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~jnoort/index.php?location=simple_solution

 

[clincher]

Quick question though, I've been trying to learn the 41 F2Ls before I even begin OLL or PLL. Is this a stupid move like the other cuber friend i have says? I actually have managed to use the beginner's method (fridrich method and then cross, and move corners) to get times up to about 55 seconds with an average of about a minute and 10, but I'm trying to learn true Fridrich (OLL, PLL). Any advice about what I should spend most time learning on now and later?

I recommend PLL first and intuitive F2L

 

[DanHarris]

you are learning the 41 F2L's? This is a TERRIBLE idea. I hope you don't mean you are memorizing the algorithms.

I wouldn't say that at all. I learned 41 F2L algorithms and I can average under 15 seconds. F2L is like any of the stages of solving the cube, the more you learn, the more you can do without thinking, and the quicker you can do it.

DanH