Which first: oll or pll?

[zippur]

so im trying to figure out which to leran first: full oll or pll. i currently use 4lookll
and i average about 35 seconds. which to learn first?

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

PLL, without a doubt. Forget about OLL until you're closer to 25 seconds, or even less.

 

[mcciff2112]

pll for sure. your times drop more dramatically with pll than oll.

 

[WTSnacks]

PLL, like said earlier.
But there are some *really* fast and easy OLLs, like T-shapes, learn them first, if you wish.
Also note that some PLL algs, like T or Y, can include OLL algs in them, learn them first too.

 

[rahulkadukar]

Do the PLL, then go for a 2 Look OLL and when you are near 25 secs then go for a 1 Look OLL

 

[Sir E Brum]

Yeah go for full pll and pick up some of the easy olls

 

[Unknown.soul]

PLL. Think about it: 21 vs 57 cases.

 

[Samlambert]

Forget OLLs until you are like sub-20, really

 

[zippur]

PLL. Think about it: 21 vs 57 cases.

i know how many are in each, i just didn't know which to learn first. anyway, thanks guys.

 

[Alpha Shenron]

I'm at this point as well, but I'm just wondering, since there are so many oll cases, why is it so important to learn pll first if you don't know how to do oll? Is there a trick to keep getting the same easy olls?

 

[byu]

I'm at this point as well, but I'm just wondering, since there are so many oll cases, why is it so important to learn pll first if you don't know how to do oll? Is there a trick to keep getting the same easy olls?

VHF2L? Requires knowledge of 32 algs, and then you can use your normal 2 look algs.

 

[GerrySly]

I'm at this point as well, but I'm just wondering, since there are so many oll cases, why is it so important to learn pll first if you don't know how to do oll? Is there a trick to keep getting the same easy olls?

PLL's are harder to recognise so you should really start to learn that first so you have more time to practice them

 

[zippur]

I'm at this point as well, but I'm just wondering, since there are so many oll cases, why is it so important to learn pll first if you don't know how to do oll? Is there a trick to keep getting the same easy olls?

yeah use 2 look oll

 

[AvGalen]

I'm at this point as well, but I'm just wondering, since there are so many oll cases, why is it so important to learn pll first if you don't know how to do oll? Is there a trick to keep getting the same easy olls?

yeah use 2 look oll

What about 2 alg OLL?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Asb2zssAzM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoC1u5kGUXs

For a complete order to go from 4 alg last layer to 2 look last layer:
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6815&postcount=4

 

[TomZ]

I'm at this point as well, but I'm just wondering, since there are so many oll cases, why is it so important to learn pll first if you don't know how to do oll? Is there a trick to keep getting the same easy olls?

By learning only a few algorithms you can complete the OLL in two steps (edges then corners or the other way around if you please). So that way you don't need to know all of the OLLs to be able to use a OLL/PLL technique.

 

[shelley]

PLL, most definitely. Nobody's going to tell you to learn OLL first. Just learn enough OLLs to be able to do them in 2 looks. People have gotten their average down to sub-20 using 2 look OLL.

PLLs are also useful for BLD, if you ever get into that.

 

[Bob]

4LLL means you probably know 10 OLL's and 7 PLLs. Thus, learning 14 PLL algs turns two looks into one, while you would have to learn 47 OLLs to get the same effect.