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CubingUSA Regional Championships

DanpHan

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We will allow competitors to self-select their regions each year, on the stipulation that they have to show some evidence of living in that region if asked by organizers. So someone who has a permanent residence in one region but goes to school in another, for example, would be able to pick their region.

I take it that this is the decision that caused me to lose 3 Southeast Champion titles to someone currently registered as a citizen of Taiwan because he's going to school in Florida.
 
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I take it that this is the decision that caused me to lose 3 Southeast Champion titles to someone currently registered as a citizen of Taiwan because he's going to school in Florida.

"Lose" implies you believe you are entitled to win those awards. These were the policies we set in place for regionals, and the policies did not cause you to "lose" anything. Only the fact that you did not have the fastest time among eligible competitors caused you to not win those titles.
 

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"Lose" implies you believe you are entitled to win those awards. These were the policies we set in place for regionals, and the policies did not cause you to "lose" anything. Only the fact that you did not have the fastest time among eligible competitors caused you to not win those titles.

I mean sure, but you know what he means, and you didn't address the point fairly: that it seems illogical that someone who is not even a citizen of the United States could win an award for a United States regional championship.

Not sure how that works for national championships, but it would make sense to add the rule that you must at least be a citizen of the country for the regional championship for which you are competing in order to be eligible for the title
 

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I mean sure, but you know what he means, and you didn't address the point fairly: that it seems illogical that someone who is not even a citizen of the United States could win an award for a United States regional championship.

Not sure how that works for national championships, but it would make sense to add the rule that you must at least be a citizen of the country for the regional championship for which you are competing in order to be eligible for the title

Well, Daniel didn't really address the point fairly either. It's one thing to disagree with how the champions are determined, and another to act entitled for something that was not earned.

CUSA in general has a fairly inclusive policy when it comes to foreign competitors. At most national championships, you don't see any international competitors recognized during awards or given prizes, but the US has always traditionally been different about this, mostly because almost all who compete in the US have the nationality anyway. It seems silly to exclude such a small sector of competitors from the competition's awards, and it encourages others from afar to travel to our event, making nationals on a competitive level above most national events.

We took a similar philosophy when writing out the policies for regional events. State rankings have traditionally been inclusive to anyone residing in the USA, and this policy has continued for regional rankings/titles. Yes, this means that you can be eligible for a regional title and not a national title, but this is because of a conscious choice we made to base regional events purely on residency, where WCA's national level events are based on nationality -- residency is determined by CUSA, and nationality is determined by the WCA.

I'll bring this up again with the CUSA team to hear other thoughts as well though.
 

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One of the considerations we made when drafting our policy was that not all residents of the United States are citizens. Only approximately 93% of United States residents are citizens as there are plenty of people who live here without citizenship. Moreover, many people claim dual citizenship and have chosen not to use their United States citizenship for their nationality in the WCA. To me, it seems more unfair to exclude non-citizens when determining champions.
 
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