Older cubers discussions

[SpartanSailor]

Just did another round of 3BLD practice... got 2/3 success! All around 7:30-8:00 range. Looked like the DNF was and odd target mix and I didn’t do the parity.

 

[Mike Hughey]

I think the challenge with full audio is having the audio loop maybe get too large to recall. If you can do it full audio, it seems like it has to be better, but it seems so ridiculously hard to me to put a whole 3x3x3 in audio memory.

 

[JanW]

Interesting that full audio is too much even for top blinders. I sure couldn't do it myself, but somehow it doesn't feel quite as impossible as many of the other things the top blinders do. Like solving in 20s... Or maybe I'm misjudging the difficulty because I do so many reviews of my own memo when I use audio for edges. Without the reviews it would be much harder to make audio stick.

 

[newtonbase]

I think the challenge with full audio is having the audio loop maybe get too large to recall. If you can do it full audio, it seems like it has to be better, but it seems so ridiculously hard to me to put a whole 3x3x3 in audio memory.

It's probably a lot easier when you can execute in under 15s!

 

[kbrune]

I don't get why using rooms for 3BLD would be slower. If you're memoing images anyway, why would it be slower to memo them in a particular place rather than in an arbitrary place?

Some fast solvers have told me they don't really form images at all, they just memo as a sentence because it's faster. I agree with that. Forming images does take time. When I do corners-only solves I use sentences and it is both faster and easier; but in a full 3BLD I can't retain a sentence for long enough unless I turn some or all of it into images.

I agree. When your room is pre determined. It doesn't even take up time to conjure it up. It's just there. I've started using this lately because I often have a long pause between edge and corner execution. I find picturing something "nowhere" makes it a lot more forgettable.

I think the challenge with full audio is having the audio loop maybe get too large to recall. If you can do it full audio, it seems like it has to be better, but it seems so ridiculously hard to me to put a whole 3x3x3 in audio memory.

I feel like at the speed the top guys memo you don't even have time for a loop. If I imagine it right. The memo sticks in their brain with a combination of audio and brute recall of going through the tracing. I try to picture what goes on for them in the hopes of improving my own memo speed but it's so difficult to imagine how the memo process happens at quicker speeds.

 

[pglewis]

It's probably a lot easier when you can execute in under 15s!

^---- This. Execute fast enough that you don't have time to forget

 

[JanW]

I got my 100th sub-15 solve of 2018. It was solve no 2345. The 50th sub-15 was solve no 1425. The first 50 appeared at a frequency of 1 in 28.5 solves, the next 50 at 1 in 18.4 solves. While the big averages improve quite slowly, it is nice to see that there is still definitely improvement happening!

Running Ao1000 now at 18.45.

 

[h2f]

^---- This. Execute fast enough that you don't have time to forget

It's not like that in my experience. You must be fast but execution of algs must be brainless. This means two things:
- if you use 3style algs one needs to practice them a lot till they become nautaral and brainless;
- if you use OP or M2/OP one needs to practice them a lot but not as many times as in the case of 3style. It is around 50 algs vs. almost 800 algs in 3style. With beginners method one can solve 3bld in 1 minute and less.

 

[mark49152]

I agree. When your room is pre determined. It doesn't even take up time to conjure it up. It's just there. I've started using this lately because I often have a long pause between edge and corner execution. I find picturing something "nowhere" makes it a lot more forgettable.

Exactly. I always choose my room as part of my pre-solve psyching up. Just before my solve, with my fingers on the timer, I pause for a few seconds and visualise that room empty. Then I lift the cover and fill the room.

 

[SpartanSailor]

It's not like that in my experience. You must be fast but execution of algs must be brainless. This means two things:
- if you use 3style algs one needs to practice them a lot till they become nautaral and brainless;
- if you use OP or M2/OP one needs to practice them a lot but not as many times as in the case of 3style. It is around 50 algs vs. almost 800 algs in 3style. With beginners method one can solve 3bld in 1 minute and less.

Beginners method? Do you mean M2/OP, OP/OP, or 3-style?

I assume you mean OP/OP. I’m a long way from being able to use 3-style, but I’m interested to see it explained so I can better appreciate it. Any good videos recommended?

 

[h2f]

Beginners method? Do you mean M2/OP, OP/OP, or 3-style?

I assume you mean OP/OP. I’m a long way from being able to use 3-style, but I’m interested to see it explained so I can better appreciate it. Any good videos recommended?

I mean OP/OP or OP/M2. Really one can solve sub1 - theres a lot evidences for that. If you memo cube in 15-20 seconds: 40 seconds is enough to solve the cube.

 

[Fábio De'Rose]

I mean OP/OP or OP/M2. Really one can solve sub1 - theres a lot evidences for that. If you memo cube in 15-20 seconds: 40 seconds is enough to solve the cube.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. When one reaches the point of sub 20 memo they should really already be considering 3Style, if not already implementing it.

 

[h2f]

When one reaches the point of sub 20 memo they should really already be considering 3Style, if not already implementing it.

I dont agree with it. It's up of preferences of the solver. For some of them sub1 is enough. For others - no. For me OP was boring so I've started 3style for corners when my memo was around 1 minute. I'm not sure if it was good choice but at the point I'm, I'm happy I use 3style.

 

[SpartanSailor]

I mean OP/OP or OP/M2. Really one can solve sub1 - theres a lot evidences for that. If you memo cube in 15-20 seconds: 40 seconds is enough to solve the cube.

Nationals (here in the states) is using a 4:00 qualifying time... sub-1 would probably place top 3 in anything I could attend locally!! But they don’t do much BLD stuff here. I have seen a couple comps dedicated to BLD and all it’s events, but not “local” enough to go watch.

 

[pglewis]

I'm registered and confirmed for Dixon spring. There will be a fair bit of distraction practice for 3bld at the coffee shop to prep... today was not very good. It's a little different than in the peace and quiet at my desk!

 

[Fábio De'Rose]

I dont agree with it. It's up of preferences of the solver. For some of them sub1 is enough. For others - no. For me OP was boring so I've started 3style for corners when my memo was around 1 minute. I'm not sure if it was good choice but at the point I'm, I'm happy I use 3style.

Well, IMO it is objectively wasteful (time, effort and most especially movecount-wise) to spam TPS on a couple algs when one could have the exact same times with a fraction of the mechanical effort.

 

[pglewis]

I find picturing something "nowhere" makes it a lot more forgettable.

I think this helps me with the issue of confusing parts of old memos when I'm doing several attempts in practice, at least a little.

 

[h2f]

Well, IMO it is objectively wasteful (time, effort and most especially movecount-wise) to spam TPS on a couple algs when one could have the exact same times with a fraction of the mechanical effort.

Spaming few algs is much easier than learing 800 algs.

 

[Fábio De'Rose]

Spaming few algs is much easier than learing 800 algs.

I'd argue that's being lazy, but to each their own haha

 

[mark49152]

Yes it's possible to sub-1 or even sub-40 with M2/OP but IMHO if the solver is dedicated enough to get that fast with M2/OP, it doesn't make much sense for them not to be working on 3style at that point. OP is seriously limited by its high move count and it would be wasteful to invest yet more practise time on it when at some point soon it will inevitably be holding them back.