h2f
Premium Member
Is it stckerless or stickered?
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Is it stckerless or stickered?
muchacho
Veteran
Stickerless (with a black side from a black cube). 20 solves and still sub-20.
h2f
Premium Member
Nice.
After a few weeks with Valk M I did ao50 with stickerless Valk - sub18. I'm glad.
muchacho
Veteran
Ao12 PB: 16.237 (was 17.198 from 5 weeks ago)
The cube is not bad, I guess.
The cube is not bad, I guess.
43113 18-abr-2017 18:15:25 00:16.655 F2 D R2 B2 F2 U' B2 F2 U2 F2 L2 F L2 D B' L' D R B U R2 U'
43112 18-abr-2017 18:14:42 00:16.558 D B2 L2 B2 U2 F2 U' R2 D B2 F2 R' F2 D' U2 B' R2 D2 R D F' U'
43111 18-abr-2017 18:14:03 00:15.280 D B2 D' R2 F2 U B2 R2 F2 U' B R' F2 U2 F R' L U B2 D' L'
43110 18-abr-2017 18:13:28 00:15.822 B2 U L2 U2 B2 D' L2 U' B2 R2 F2 R F' D2 B2 F2 D L U F' L'
43109 18-abr-2017 18:12:44 00:22.342 D' L2 D B2 R2 L2 U' F2 D' U' R' D' U' F D B' D2 L' B2 D
43108 18-abr-2017 18:12:01 00:15.559 R2 U L2 U2 R2 D R2 D B2 U2 L2 B U' R2 F' D' L U B' R2 B' F'
43107 18-abr-2017 18:11:22 00:14.975 B2 L2 F2 U' L2 B2 D2 L2 U L2 U' B' R2 B2 F' R' D R2 B' U L D2
43106 18-abr-2017 18:10:33 00:20.038 L2 U' F2 U2 F2 D2 F2 L2 B2 R2 U2 F' D2 R' U2 L F R' F2 U' F
43105 18-abr-2017 18:09:56 00:14.239 L2 U2 F2 U' L2 B2 U2 F2 D R2 U' L D B U2 R' F2 D2 B' D' B2
43104 18-abr-2017 18:09:17 00:17.422 U2 B2 L2 U' L2 U R2 U' R2 D2 F' D' B2 D2 U' B F R D R2 L'
43103 18-abr-2017 18:08:48 00:15.231 U' L2 U' R2 F2 R2 L2 U2 F2 D' L' B R' U F R B' D U' R'
43102 18-abr-2017 18:08:13 00:14.839 U' R2 L2 D R2 U2 F2 L2 B2 U2 L' U2 L' F U2 F2 D2 L' U F2
43112 18-abr-2017 18:14:42 00:16.558 D B2 L2 B2 U2 F2 U' R2 D B2 F2 R' F2 D' U2 B' R2 D2 R D F' U'
43111 18-abr-2017 18:14:03 00:15.280 D B2 D' R2 F2 U B2 R2 F2 U' B R' F2 U2 F R' L U B2 D' L'
43110 18-abr-2017 18:13:28 00:15.822 B2 U L2 U2 B2 D' L2 U' B2 R2 F2 R F' D2 B2 F2 D L U F' L'
43109 18-abr-2017 18:12:44 00:22.342 D' L2 D B2 R2 L2 U' F2 D' U' R' D' U' F D B' D2 L' B2 D
43108 18-abr-2017 18:12:01 00:15.559 R2 U L2 U2 R2 D R2 D B2 U2 L2 B U' R2 F' D' L U B' R2 B' F'
43107 18-abr-2017 18:11:22 00:14.975 B2 L2 F2 U' L2 B2 D2 L2 U L2 U' B' R2 B2 F' R' D R2 B' U L D2
43106 18-abr-2017 18:10:33 00:20.038 L2 U' F2 U2 F2 D2 F2 L2 B2 R2 U2 F' D2 R' U2 L F R' F2 U' F
43105 18-abr-2017 18:09:56 00:14.239 L2 U2 F2 U' L2 B2 U2 F2 D R2 U' L D B U2 R' F2 D2 B' D' B2
43104 18-abr-2017 18:09:17 00:17.422 U2 B2 L2 U' L2 U R2 U' R2 D2 F' D' B2 D2 U' B F R D R2 L'
43103 18-abr-2017 18:08:48 00:15.231 U' L2 U' R2 F2 R2 L2 U2 F2 D' L' B R' U F R B' D U' R'
43102 18-abr-2017 18:08:13 00:14.839 U' R2 L2 D R2 U2 F2 L2 B2 U2 L' U2 L' F U2 F2 D2 L' U F2
Lazy Einstein
Alg Ninja
Less than 150 ZBLL to go in L, U, and T before I am done. I am spending the next week or two going over my AS and S to ensure I am happy with the algorithms I have; if not I will generate more. If I am happy, I am going to practice recognition and execution.
Lazy Einstein
Alg Ninja
Ever try dying a cube?
I really want to try dying white to little grey but I am almost too nervous to go through with it.
muchacho
Veteran
I tried, with a Yuhu megaminx and (black) Rit dye with green pieces, it didn't work.
mafergut
Legend
Yeah, welcome @Bart Van Eynde !!! The more the merrier and, of course, you qualify as an "oldie" by speedcubing standards
David @muchacho, yes, the Valk3 is one of the best feeling cubes out of the box. Sadly mine has slowed down a bit and right now I find myself using my Yan3 more. By the way, if those dark red and blue cause you problems maybe the stickerless shades of the Yan3 might be better, as both colours are lighter on it. Can't wait for my magnets to arrive to convert it in a great OH cube, maybe 2H too.
muchacho
Veteran
I'd prefer they were lighter (at least the red), but it's almost ok. I'll probably end trying the Yan3 (and the GTS2) but for now I think I'm set.
mafergut
Legend
I'll tell you as soon as my stickerless GTS2 arrives in the mail
Congratulations on your impressive improvement of almost 1 second in your Ao12 PB. Now you are (un)officially faster than I am at 2H (you were already a lot faster at OH). Well, also officially, as I have yet to go to a comp
One Wheel
Legend
I just did my first more-or-less serious 3x3 practice in a while, trying out a few different cubes I have laying around. I've got a long ways to go to catch up with most of you, but here are the results:
Moyu Tanglong: 33.773 Ao5, 31.539 Ao12, 5.326 Standard Deviation
GuoGuan Yuexiao: 31.14 Ao5, 32.858 Ao12, 3.926 SD
YJ Yulong M: 30.590 Ao5, 32.969 Ao12, 5.224 SD
Qiyi Thunderclap: 30.967 Ao5, 33.581 Ao12, 4.260 SD
Yuxin 3x3 34.433 Ao5, 33.571 Ao12, 4.701 SD
I'm a little surprised that there does seem to be a difference even at my speed. The YueXiao seems to be faster and more consistent, although the Tanglong did result in a significantly better Ao12. I suspect that if I sat down and did a long average with each of them the YueXiao would win. The Ao5 is the first five solves with each cube, then I put all five in a basket and pulled them out at random to finish the Ao12. The best single out of 60 solves was 23.79 with the Tanglong (PLL skip), the worst was a 1:18 pop that I discarded, also with the Tanglong. The worst I left in was a 45.33 with the Yulong M.
Moyu Tanglong: 33.773 Ao5, 31.539 Ao12, 5.326 Standard Deviation
GuoGuan Yuexiao: 31.14 Ao5, 32.858 Ao12, 3.926 SD
YJ Yulong M: 30.590 Ao5, 32.969 Ao12, 5.224 SD
Qiyi Thunderclap: 30.967 Ao5, 33.581 Ao12, 4.260 SD
Yuxin 3x3 34.433 Ao5, 33.571 Ao12, 4.701 SD
I'm a little surprised that there does seem to be a difference even at my speed. The YueXiao seems to be faster and more consistent, although the Tanglong did result in a significantly better Ao12. I suspect that if I sat down and did a long average with each of them the YueXiao would win. The Ao5 is the first five solves with each cube, then I put all five in a basket and pulled them out at random to finish the Ao12. The best single out of 60 solves was 23.79 with the Tanglong (PLL skip), the worst was a 1:18 pop that I discarded, also with the Tanglong. The worst I left in was a 45.33 with the Yulong M.
mitja
Regular
I use Valk 3, but I needed months to get used to the speed, and only with magnets I start to like it. Yuexiao is the cube with the best stability, I understand why you like it.
mark49152
Premium Member
Behold, for your viewing pleasure, my spectacular 3BLD PB from Newcastle. Not looking happy because I knew I'd blown a good solve with those ~10 seconds of pauses during corner exec. It doesn't even look like a speedsolve. More practice definitely needed...
h2f
Premium Member
Nerves make their job. Mark - it's nice solution anyway. You're fast executing algs, I like your turning style.
Welcome @Bart Van Eynde! If I can pass as an 'oldie' around here (I'm 27) you should have no problem doing so either
Have you noticed any significant difference between stickered and stickerless cubes? As I have only 2 cubes laying around, I can't really do an extensive test but my average times are a good 3-4 seconds slower on my stickered GTS than they are on my stickerless Valk. Question now is if the GTS simply doesn't suit my turning style or if my recognition with stickered cubes is just spectacularly bad.
Have you noticed any significant difference between stickered and stickerless cubes? As I have only 2 cubes laying around, I can't really do an extensive test but my average times are a good 3-4 seconds slower on my stickered GTS than they are on my stickerless Valk. Question now is if the GTS simply doesn't suit my turning style or if my recognition with stickered cubes is just spectacularly bad.
h2f
Premium Member
There's a big difference between black and color plastic. Polish cuber Michał Halczuk mentioned on FB that adding black pigment makes plastic a little harder and makes more grip in it. I can feel a difference between Valk Black and stickerless. The second is faster and softer and makes my recognition a little bit better.
JohnnyReggae
Veteran
I found my Valk also slow down after a while. Cleaned it out and lubed it and it slowed down within a few days. Did the same cleanout etc, with the same result. So cleaned it out and left it unlubed for around 1000 or so solves. I then lubed it with 2 drops of DNM37, and it is now an amazing cube that seems to keeps it's smoothness no matter the number of solves on it. I lube it with DNM37 about every 2 weeks or so, just 2 drops, and it maintains nicely.
One Wheel
Legend
The Tanglong is brown plastic, the others in that set are all black plastic. The only stickerless cube I've spent any significant time with is my Zhanchi, and back when I did I was running sup-40. I prefer the aesthetics of stickered black plastic, and I like the little extra grip at the edge of the stickers, although I think as I improve the importance of the grip is decreasing.
mitja
Regular
Lots of cubers prefer stickered cubes because of better grip. Stickerless feels slippery. Not to me, I sweat in my hands when I speedsolve, so I prefer stickerless and I also handle the colour recognition better on stickerless cubes.
mitja
Regular
Valk slow? Hmm, I don't even dare to try DNM-37 in my Valk. It is too fast. But I got used to it. I only use Traxas 50K in it, core and the pieces, to slow it down.
