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.Gans 356 UM Update:
I finally went and swapped the nuts from purple -> yellow. In doing so, I discovered one of the original purple nuts was somewhat defective, which I was noticing as a looser side. That was disappointing.
The real amazing thing is the cutting now, ironically, I'm finding it cuts better for me OH doing R' than 2H. It may have do with the exact angle everything is moving at. For OH, it may be almost full cutting now. It is close, and certainly close enough given that it is magnetic.
I've set some decent times on it, but I still don't feel like I've adjusted to the new turning... my "sexy moves" at speed aren't smooth on it yet, and that means I'm not used to the cube yet. Expect more updates.
I finally went and swapped the nuts from purple -> yellow. In doing so, I discovered one of the original purple nuts was somewhat defective, which I was noticing as a looser side. That was disappointing.
The real amazing thing is the cutting now, ironically, I'm finding it cuts better for me OH doing R' than 2H. It may have do with the exact angle everything is moving at. For OH, it may be almost full cutting now. It is close, and certainly close enough given that it is magnetic.
I've set some decent times on it, but I still don't feel like I've adjusted to the new turning... my "sexy moves" at speed aren't smooth on it yet, and that means I'm not used to the cube yet. Expect more updates.
Logiqx
Veteran
Double fist pump. 
F L F B2 L' U' L2 F' R2 F2 L2 U' D' R2 U L2 B2 R'
y // Inspection
u' R' L F // Cross (4/4)
z U' R U z' // F2L #1 (3/7)
U2' R' U2' R U y R' U R // F2L #2 (8/15)
U' z U' R2 U R U' R' U z' // F2L #3 (8/23)
U' R U R' U2' R U R' // F2L #4 (8/31)
R U2' R' U' R U' R' // OLL (7/38)
U' // AUF (1/39)
F L F B2 L' U' L2 F' R2 F2 L2 U' D' R2 U L2 B2 R'
y // Inspection
u' R' L F // Cross (4/4)
z U' R U z' // F2L #1 (3/7)
U2' R' U2' R U y R' U R // F2L #2 (8/15)
U' z U' R2 U R U' R' U z' // F2L #3 (8/23)
U' R U R' U2' R U R' // F2L #4 (8/31)
R U2' R' U' R U' R' // OLL (7/38)
U' // AUF (1/39)
CLL Smooth
Veteran
Very nice solve! You beat my PB by 0.52 seconds. Questionable start time though.Double fist pump.
F L F B2 L' U' L2 F' R2 F2 L2 U' D' R2 U L2 B2 R'
y // Inspection
u' R' L F // Cross (4/4)
z U' R U z' // F2L #1 (3/7)
U2' R' U2' R U y R' U R // F2L #2 (8/15)
U' z U' R2 U R U' R' U z' // F2L #3 (8/23)
U' R U R' U2' R U R' // F2L #4 (8/31)
R U2' R' U' R U' R' // OLL (7/38)
U' // AUF (1/39)
pipkiksass
Veteran
@phreaker, interestingly I'm just about getting "my times" with my Valk M now. I think there's a lot of "getting used to" magnetic cubes, it's not just like a more stable version of the standard cube, it dramatically effects the characteristics of the cube.
The Valk is my favourite cube of all time, and my DIY M is even better, but also very different. Even on looser tensions, when turning slowly the cube feels slower due to the increased resistance. During a speed solve, that feeling of increased resistance is reduced, and what you're left with is kind of tactile feedback as you execute algs. Natural inaccuracies in your turning are compensated for by the magnets, but there's still an element of "pushing through" the magnets. I feel like I've had to subtly adjust the way I execute M-heavy algs, and these are probably a TINY bit slower than on a non-magnetic cube. Most of my sub-14 solves have been U perms in the past, but with my M I'd say my other PLLs are faster due to the magnets making my algs smoother, and the overall variance of my sessions is going down.
I still think smooth turning is rewarded by magnetic cubes, but not slow turning, has to be smooth and fast (or at least forceful)!
Also, I'm happy to consider myself oldER (I.e. than a lot of the kids on this forum), but hopefully not OLD yet. Otherwise we might as well go ahead and change the thread name again to "decrepit fogies rambling on about the good old days"!!
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The Valk is my favourite cube of all time, and my DIY M is even better, but also very different. Even on looser tensions, when turning slowly the cube feels slower due to the increased resistance. During a speed solve, that feeling of increased resistance is reduced, and what you're left with is kind of tactile feedback as you execute algs. Natural inaccuracies in your turning are compensated for by the magnets, but there's still an element of "pushing through" the magnets. I feel like I've had to subtly adjust the way I execute M-heavy algs, and these are probably a TINY bit slower than on a non-magnetic cube. Most of my sub-14 solves have been U perms in the past, but with my M I'd say my other PLLs are faster due to the magnets making my algs smoother, and the overall variance of my sessions is going down.
I still think smooth turning is rewarded by magnetic cubes, but not slow turning, has to be smooth and fast (or at least forceful)!
Also, I'm happy to consider myself oldER (I.e. than a lot of the kids on this forum), but hopefully not OLD yet. Otherwise we might as well go ahead and change the thread name again to "decrepit fogies rambling on about the good old days"!!
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@pipkaksass
Get off my lawn!!! *shakes cane*
As far as the comment on rougher turning, I think the Gans cubes in general support a rougher, less accurate style. They just tend to blast through whatever mistake you make... but you have to deal with their lack of stability. The AIR reduced that lack of stability, and the AIR UM, makes a nice stable cube.
I wouldn't know much about M slices except when I play with M2. There I feel the difference, and it is tolerable for the better feedback.
One of the big things to think about in my reviews: I'm solving 90%+ OH, I'm also a ZZ solver. Between them, my opinions will be tinted.
Get off my lawn!!! *shakes cane*
As far as the comment on rougher turning, I think the Gans cubes in general support a rougher, less accurate style. They just tend to blast through whatever mistake you make... but you have to deal with their lack of stability. The AIR reduced that lack of stability, and the AIR UM, makes a nice stable cube.
I wouldn't know much about M slices except when I play with M2. There I feel the difference, and it is tolerable for the better feedback.
One of the big things to think about in my reviews: I'm solving 90%+ OH, I'm also a ZZ solver. Between them, my opinions will be tinted.
pipkiksass
Veteran
Double fist pump.
Very, very nice!
Anyone else loving the irony of a double fist-pump for a OH solve???
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pglewis
Veteran
Yeah, I was wondering if the formula for the number of fists to be pumped is N+1 or N*2.
Logiqx
Veteran
One fist per 10% improvement.
I knocked 20% off my PB... 2 fists required.
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mark49152
Premium Member
Nice solve Mike
Long time since I bought a new 3x3, maybe the YueXiao a year ago. So I just treated myself to a triple order: Air, Valk and GTS. So much gets talked about these three cubes, I can't bear to not have them in my collection any longer!
Long time since I bought a new 3x3, maybe the YueXiao a year ago. So I just treated myself to a triple order: Air, Valk and GTS. So much gets talked about these three cubes, I can't bear to not have them in my collection any longer!
newtonbase
Premium Member
You'll have fun with that order but it would be even more fun with a side order of magnets.Nice solve Mike
Long time since I bought a new 3x3, maybe the YueXiao a year ago. So I just treated myself to a triple order: Air, Valk and GTS. So much gets talked about these three cubes, I can't bear to not have them in my collection any longer!
muchacho
Veteran
I think this is PB both for fastest with 2-look CMLL and for shortest SB.
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mark49152
Premium Member
Yes I've been following the magnets discussion with interest, but have refrained for the simple reason that I don't want to become reliant on them and never be able to switch back to a non-magnetic cube. I might switch once magnets are the norm and all new cubes come with them
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pipkiksass
Veteran
Yes I've been following the magnets discussion with interest, but have refrained for the simple reason that I don't want to become reliant on them and never be able to switch back to a non-magnetic cube. I might switch once magnets are the norm and all new cubes come with them
This was my thought, I also didn't want to break the bank, spending $50 on a cube. I knew that the manufacturers wouldn't be slow in offering magnetic cubes after 2 WRs in as many weeks, but thought they'd be a little cheaper, to be honest. Perhaps it's because the first mass produced magnetic cube is a Gans ultimate, which is an expensive cube even without the magnets.
Anyway, as a result, I decided to make my own, and it's only after a week that I'm just about matching the times on my DIY Valk M that I was getting on my normal Valk.
What I AM finding is that the standard deviation of my times is dropping, but I wouldn't say I'm in any way chained to my magnetic cube, I could switch back in a heartbeat, but there would probably be an adjustment in turning style required. No different to switching between e.g. a Dayan and Moyu cube back in the day.
I didn't do my magnetic mod to make me faster (although a magic improvement would have been cool), I did it because I was curious and (more to the point) unwilling to pay a significant amount for someone else to do the work. I'm glad I did it, not only because I mainly focus on 3x3 (sighted, 2H), but because it was really fun and, just like my Florianned Zhanchi back in the day, it's really satisfying solving on a cube that you've "tuned" yourself.
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pglewis
Veteran
My sighted 3x3 consistency is still a major work in progress but there is still progress. Too many sup 40s still but a whole lot more low 30s and some high 20s. Best Ao12 under :34 now and I expect to see a sub 30 Ao5 before too long.
One thing I had been completely neglecting but started to focus on again last night is paying close attention to edge orientation on pairs. I've been haphazardly just finding pairs and inserting them however I can during timed solves... last night I decided to try looking at edge orientation first thing with the timer running, regardless of how slow it might be. There were some much slower solves of course but I also found myself surprised a lot by some of the times... low 30s that I felt were closer to :40 during the solve. Seems like setting up for the orientation first frees me up earlier for lookahead.
One thing I had been completely neglecting but started to focus on again last night is paying close attention to edge orientation on pairs. I've been haphazardly just finding pairs and inserting them however I can during timed solves... last night I decided to try looking at edge orientation first thing with the timer running, regardless of how slow it might be. There were some much slower solves of course but I also found myself surprised a lot by some of the times... low 30s that I felt were closer to :40 during the solve. Seems like setting up for the orientation first frees me up earlier for lookahead.
As a ZZ solver, I can tell you that's true. Look-ahead, and recognition, when you know edges are oriented is much easier.
mark49152
Premium Member
Yeah I get that. It sounds great fun and is very tempting. I tried a GTS M at UKC and it felt fantastic. Just think of all those failures though, if I get used to magnets and then revert to non-magnetic cubes for MBLD
newtonbase
Premium Member
I'm currently making a magnetic Thunderclap. It has been remarkably easy especially as my daughter was laying out pieces and magnets for me. If it works well then I may be getting my first official MBLD success with all magnetic cubes. I'll be reassembling it once I've got her to sleep.Yeah I get that. It sounds great fun and is very tempting. I tried a GTS M at UKC and it felt fantastic. Just think of all those failures though, if I get used to magnets and then revert to non-magnetic cubes for MBLD
newtonbase
Premium Member
Reassembled and lubed. I'm disappointed with this one. I thought it would enhance the lovely clicky feeling of the Thunderclap but it has deadened it. I've stabilised my most stable cube so maybe it shouldn't be a surprise. I'll have a play with the setup and might try another with weaker magnets. I used N52 this time as I have loads of them.
mark49152
Premium Member
How do you find BLD on a magnetic cube?
