QiYi WuHua Spring Swap?

[Dash Lambda]

I got a WuHua today, and after spending pretty much all day setting it up, I've come to the conclusion that... Well...
Kevin Hays was right, the inner layers are crap. The outer layers are fine, but it's terrible unless you only want to do the 3x3 stage.

However, I remember that when I got my YuXin Red, before I swapped the springs, it felt somewhat similar. It felt tight no-matter how I had it, really grindy, extremely catchy, and refused to be anything but dry. So my question is this: Has anyone found a spring swap that makes the WuHua better?

I'll still be experimenting, because I can't believe that this puzzle could be received well if this is how it performs. I feel like I must be doing something wrong, but I don't know what.

 

[FastCubeMaster]

Are the inner layers that bad? I enjoy solving on mine

 

[Dash Lambda]

Are the inner layers that bad? I enjoy solving on mine.

How did you set yours up?

For me, there's a very steep gradation in tension on the layers, so when the outer layer feels loose the inner layers feel over-tightened. They grind, they're very catchy, they're slow, and the static friction is through the roof.
I've made it slightly better after playing around, having dismantled and cleaned it, evened out the tensions, and applied three or four types of lubricant, but I just can't get it to be anywhere even close to as smooth and fluid as my YuXin Red.

 

[dskids]

For me, there's a very steep gradation in tension on the layers, so when the outer layer feels loose the inner layers feel over-tightened. They grind, they're very catchy, they're slow, and the static friction is through the roof.

My wife got me one for Christmas and I've only had the chance to do a couple solves on it so far. OOTB it is very dry and needs some work on the tensions but I'm definitely not getting the super tight, grindy turning. Inner layers are a little tighter, but not with a huge gradient like you describe. Did you notice any flash on the pieces when you were rebuilding?

I have a Yuxin Red and the 5x5 springs laying around somewhere, haven't gotten around to doing the swap yet, but I can say that my OOTB Wuhua is far better than the OOTB Red (so far).

 

[Tycubing]

I got a WuHua today, and after spending pretty much all day setting it up, I've come to the conclusion that... Well...
Kevin Hays was right, the inner layers are crap. The outer layers are fine, but it's terrible unless you only want to do the 3x3 stage.

However, I remember that when I got my YuXin Red, before I swapped the springs, it felt somewhat similar. It felt tight no-matter how I had it, really grindy, extremely catchy, and refused to be anything but dry. So my question is this: Has anyone found a spring swap that makes the WuHua better?

I'll still be experimenting, because I can't believe that this puzzle could be received well if this is how it performs. I feel like I must be doing something wrong, but I don't know what.

I'm going to order some different types of springs in January because mine is having the same problems as yours

 

[Dash Lambda]

My wife got me one for Christmas and I've only had the chance to do a couple solves on it so far. OOTB it is very dry and needs some work on the tensions but I'm definitely not getting the super tight, grindy turning. Inner layers are a little tighter, but not with a huge gradient like you describe. Did you notice any flash on the pieces when you were rebuilding?

I have a Yuxin Red and the 5x5 springs laying around somewhere, haven't gotten around to doing the swap yet, but I can say that my OOTB Wuhua is far better than the OOTB Red (so far).

I didn't notice any major flash, and I did wipe down every individual piece so I probably didn't miss anything.

While the inner layers are still significantly slower for me, the grinding has mostly gone away with a little break-in. Now I'm getting the swishy feeling that most people describe.
What hasn't gone away is the static friction and the catching. While I'm not sure if the friction will go away with use (I've had puzzles with a similar problem, some got better and some didn't), but the catching I think is a result of the mechanism. Compared to the YuXin Red, the angles on the inside are a lot sharper, and it has far more small anti-popping protrusions on the pieces.

I'll continue breaking it in and tweaking it, 'cause hey, my YuXin also sucked when I got it. Hopefully I can get the layers to even out and bring the static friction down. I might be able to reduce the catching just by adapting my turning style (My 3x3 main is the Gans Air, after all), though I'd like to see someone try filing down the "hidden anti-pop" ridges.

I'm going to order some different types of springs in January because mine is having the same problems as yours.

Cool! Let us know how it goes~

 

[Tycubing]

Cool! Let us know how it goes~

I found that Dayan Springs make it good. The inner layers become great, but the outer layers become too fast. Just put some Traxxas 50k on the outer layers and it becomes great!

 

[Forcefulness]

Honestly, breaking it in is the best way to go. Mine's at around 500 solves and it got much better. Also tensioning is very finicky, its hard to get a good tension. Mar/zlube helps as well.

 

[SafariDiscoLion]

So I decided to put some ThunderClap springs into my WuHua and see how it goes, since Thunderclap springs make the Yuxin Blue so good. It does give it a very similar feel and the cube honestly feels a lot better with looser springs. The inner layers are just a tiny bit slower than the outer layers, and you can tighten the cube to a point where it will catch slightly but not pop or lock up badly unless you really force it, and the layers are all still very fast.

However, it also emphasizes the problems with the WuHua - even on tighter tensions, there are a TON of internal catches, especially when moving from slices to outer layers. The internal pieces just don't quite slide back into place all the way when moving slices. This is true with both the stock springs and lighter Tclap ones. I don't think lube would help this as the internal edge pieces just aren't moving entirely into place as the inner slices turn. Heavy breaking in I do think would help, but at the same time this cube is really unenjoyable to use.

 

[VCTurtle]

Does this also work with YuXin 5x5 Springs?

 

[mitja]

i made a much simpler sollution. I use magnets and I cut a piece of spring. Very small piece, lets say 45 degrees of a first spiral. Ant it gets much better, but in my opinion , G6 has much better inner layers, so this days a am tryng to deal with G6.