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[muchacho]

Real solve -> 19.726 seconds, 66 STM -> 3.35 TPS

Reconstruction:
y2 x
F M' U2 M R' U R M' L U M U2 F
M' U' L2 U' M U' L' U L U2 M' U2 L U' L' U M U' L' U L M2 U2 R' F' R
U' R U2 R' U' R U R' U' R U' R'
M' U2 M U M' U M2 U M2 U' M U2 M U2 M2

15.271 seconds (4.32 TPS) after 7-8 tries... I don't think I could have improved it much more (although my PB had 5.00 TPS)

Really bad first two blocks (even worse than usual), it was an inefficient solve but with not many pauses, maybe that's why time didn't changed much. I didn't need this video to see that I should work on being more efficient, also my advanced maths tells me that my limit is 9.999

 

[mafergut]

Very nice idea. I will try that myself this weekend. I don't think I'll record it though as it might take me a lot of solves to reach sub-10 even after 100 tries

Regarding half centers, thanks @pipkiksass for the video. I did try half centers some months ago and I did not find any improvement in my times. Maybe I should try harder

Also, more 5x5 PBs (yeah, I'm boring you all with this, I know).
- Single 2:21.31 down from 2:28.xx
- Ao5 2:41.95 down from 2:47.xx
- Ao12 2:53.63 down from 2:56.xx
- Running Ao50 down to 2:57.xx
- Still 37 solves to complete 1st sub-3min Ao100, I hope

 

[One Wheel]

Real solve -> 19.726 seconds, 66 STM -> 3.35 TPS

Reconstruction:
y2 x
F M' U2 M R' U R M' L U M U2 F
M' U' L2 U' M U' L' U L U2 M' U2 L U' L' U M U' L' U L M2 U2 R' F' R
U' R U2 R' U' R U R' U' R U' R'
M' U2 M U M' U M2 U M2 U' M U2 M U2 M2

15.271 seconds (4.32 TPS) after 7-8 tries... I don't think I could have improved it much more (although my PB had 5.00 TPS)

Really bad first two blocks (even worse than usual), it was an inefficient solve but with not many pauses, maybe that's why time didn't changed much. I didn't need this video to see that I should work on being more efficient, also my advanced maths tells me that my limit is 9.999

Well, to start it takes me almost twice as long even when I'm not conscious of pauses, but watching both videos I saw a few pauses even in the second one. I suspect that you could shave off another second and a half with more fluid turning and no change in TPS.

 

[pglewis]

WuQue: I'm gonna call it already: new main over my G4. Far more stable at holding a cube shape, LL algs fight me less with the stability. I did however get a corner twist on it which will be something to look out for. I felt resistance then a quick give on a D' move at one point and thought it may have popped but a quick check showed it was fine... until OLL.

CN: If anyone had suggested I work on being color neutral even 3 days ago I would have been resistant. I've done thousands of solves exclusively on white first layer and my recog/lookahead is still dodgy. But two nights ago, just for grins, I tried some CN solves. Not surprisingly yellow was decent and anything else was 1:30-1:45. Not sure why I did it again last night, but I was in a groove where I was sub 50 on quite a few non white/yellow first layers. Suddenly feeling like I could actually adjust if I spent several weeks on it. Not a huge priority, yellow/white alone would give me options, but I may make CN a 2017 goal after all.

@efattah: I like this! Seems like you could also get a conservative estimate just timing pauses from a recorded solve and subtracting those out, though it wouldn't give the increased turn speed from practicing a prescribed solution.

If you haven't given Hoya a shot, I suggest that you do.

I've been meaning to take an informal survey of 4x4 methods used among the old-timers. I tried both Yau and Hoya early and was reasonably comfortable with both but felt Yau flowed better for me so I've stuck with it. Also, I've been solving edges 3-3-2, I think. I don't slice initially, do three edges, slice, three more, slice back, and with luck I'm just left with the L2E. 3-2-3 seems to be ubiquitous though, I'd like to hear the advantages.

 

[JohnnyReggae]

Getting some practice in while the kids watch a movie ... managed this fairly consistent ao12 with the Valk

Generated By csTimer on 2016-12-9
avg of 12: 17.33

Time List:
1. 17.56 L2 B2 U D2 B U2 L D2 B' F2 R2 L2 U' F2 D' F2 D' F2 U F2
2. 17.06 U2 R D2 R2 D B2 L' F D' U2 B R2 D2 L2 U2 F2 R2 B U2 L2
3. 17.97 U L2 U' L2 R2 F2 U' L2 U' B2 D2 B' L2 B2 U2 B R2 D' L' R' U'
4. 17.14 U F2 L F U2 L' U B R D2 R2 L2 F' B' R2 U2 B R2 B L2
5. 17.32 D2 L2 F' R2 D2 B R2 F L2 B D' F2 U L2 R2 F U2 B' R F
6. 17.68 L B2 L' F2 R2 F2 D2 F2 R F2 L' D F' L' B F' U R2 F2 U'
7. 17.39 L2 F L2 U2 B' U2 B2 U2 R2 B2 U2 R' B' L U' B' L' B L2 B'
8. 17.03 F2 D2 R' B2 L D2 L2 D2 R2 B2 D2 F R U L2 B F L' D'
9. 17.77 L2 D' L2 F B2 L F2 B' R U' F' R2 B D2 R2 F' R2 F' U2 F2 U2
10. 16.36 R U2 D F2 U' R F L B' L F2 D2 F2 R U2 B2 D2 L2 U2 L2 B
11. (15.69) F2 D2 L2 B2 F2 D2 R2 U' B2 L2 D R' D' U L B2 R B' R B U2
12. (18.99) L2 B' R2 B R2 F L2 D2 B2 U2 F' U R' D L' D2 B' D2 L2 U F

 

[mafergut]

@pglewis, Phil, don't tell me that... it's been like 3 months since I last bought my last cube and now you're making me want a WuQue Also, go for CN, I think it's totally worth it and the sooner you start the better. Not that I'm lightning fast by any means but, at sub-19 global average, it's taking me much more effort than expected and I'm not even close to sub-20 yet (probably not even sub-21) at red/orange/blue/green. I am already dual white/yellow CN, though and it's true that, with less effort it at least gives you more options than just white. But try to tell that to Antoine Cantine, who refuses to solve in anything different than... is it orange?

@JohnnyReggae Just curious what your standard deviation was on that Ao12. That's a consistent average if I've ever seen one. To be honest you almost spoil it at the end with that 16.xx

 

[mark49152]

I've been meaning to take an informal survey of 4x4 methods used among the old-timers. I tried both Yau and Hoya early and was reasonably comfortable with both but felt Yau flowed better for me so I've stuck with it. Also, I've been solving edges 3-3-2, I think. I don't slice initially, do three edges, slice, three more, slice back, and with luck I'm just left with the L2E. 3-2-3 seems to be ubiquitous though, I'd like to hear the advantages.

That's known as 6-2. Consensus seems to be that it can give better singles but hard cases are tougher to deal with so worse averages, compared to 3-2-3.

I use Hoya.

 

[h2f]

2 +centers from being a medalist and maybe a champ. So close so far. Xd

Wysłane z mojego SM-J500FN przy użyciu Tapatalka

 

[mafergut]

Sorry, Grzegorz. As you say, sometimes things are so close, yet so far... We're proud of you anyway.

 

[JohnnyReggae]

@JohnnyReggae Just curious what your standard deviation was on that Ao12. That's a consistent average if I've ever seen one. To be honest you almost spoil it at the end with that 16.xx

To be honest I've never had such a consistent a012 ... ever ... I almost felt cheated when I got the 16, 15 and 18. Felt like they all should have been 17's

At least today I've had some better times, 170 timed solves with 13 sub 15's, 8 14's and 5 13's .. probably the most consistent day I've had in a very long time. Spent most of today with the Valk. As much as I like the AIR I find myself gravitating towards the Valk. I must say that I'm quite surprised by the Valk. I enjoy it more than I thought I would and was only getting it to add to the collection rather than it becoming a possible main ... and the sticker shades are growing on me

Some more stats from the ao12...

 

[pipkiksass]

3-2-3 seems to be ubiquitous though, I'd like to hear the advantages.

The main advantage of 3-2-3 is that you can't have one unsolved dedge, so it's really 3-2-2. You slice, solve 3 dedges (3), then set up 1, slice (4), set up another, slice back (5), set up another, slice (6), set up another, slice back (7) and, by default the remaining dedge is solved by solving the 7th (8).

So basically you only have to set up 7 dedges, while with 6-2 you have to set up 8.


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[kbrune]

@pipkiksass,
I can only start with either white or yellow center (and always do white cross) as I don't know the colour scheme well for other F2C combinations. That's what I like about 5x5, you always have the centers there to guide you. It's a pity, because I very frequently see easy centers in blue/green or red/orange that I cannot take advantage of.

It was same for me until very recently. But I got fed up of having to pass up a 3/4 done center that was one of the 4 off colours. So I forced myself to be CN for F2C. I was surprised how quick it became easy. I still fumble here and there when thinking about where the colours go. But over all it went well and I'm now able to go for any colour for F2C. I would suggest switching.

I started by using 2 colours. For example. If I saw a nice blue start. After F2C I put blue on my left and would instantly go for either white or red knowing which one would go where. Then complete the last2 from there. And same if I started with red or orange. I would put red to my left and search for white or green. At first your limited by 2 colours. But now I can do it fairly smoothly. Hope that made sense.

 

[kbrune]

@megagoune

I'm registered for Montreal as well!
I'm currently on my way to Toronto for tomorrow's comp!

I didn't see your post about the timer but I saw some of the replies. For me personally. Using the timer for the first time threw me off at my first comp. I became to used to stopping time with one finger. So when I solved I would be thinking about how to stop the comp timer with both hands which distracted me slightly.

I couldn't buy one before my second comp so I made myself get Into the habit of not touching the cube before starting the timer. And also dropping the cube while simulating a stack mat stop as much as possible. Still stopping the timer on my phone with one finger but the other hand flat on the surface I was using.

If you have any questions or anything I'd be happy to help out before we meet in February

 

[kbrune]

The main advantage of 3-2-3 is that you can't have one unsolved dedge, so it's really 3-2-2. You slice, solve 3 dedges (3), then set up 1, slice (4), set up another, slice back (5), set up another, slice (6), set up another, slice back (7) and, by default the remaining dedge is solved by solving the 7th (8).

So basically you only have to set up 7 dedges, while with 6-2 you have to set up 8.


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I still know very little about 4x4 edges. I don't know what any of the variations are called. Or how they work. When I first started with4x4 someone showed me to set up 3, slice replace them with 3 more then slice back. What's this called?

I don't know if I like it but I've been too lazy to look into dedges any further. I dislike that you can run Into situations where it doesn't work. Mind you I've always found dedges difficult either way.

 

[One Wheel]

I still know very little about 4x4 edges. I don't know what any of the variations are called. Or how they work. When I first started with4x4 someone showed me to set up 3, slice replace them with 3 more then slice back. What's this called?

I don't know if I like it but I've been too lazy to look into dedges any further. I dislike that you can run Into situations where it doesn't work. Mind you I've always found dedges difficult either way.

That's 6-2. I've never really bothered to figure out how to do that right, 3-2-3 is just too simple, easy, and elegant.

 

[newtonbase]

What are the slices like on the Wuque? Not that I should be buying a new 4x4. I've spent the last week breaking in my spare G4.

 

[pipkiksass]

I dislike that you can run Into situations where it doesn't work.

IKR, so much you can't control, unlike 3x3. With 323 I find if there's one solved dedge somewhere you end up with last 2 dedges matching, and needing a straight swap, so if you insert then break the single good dedge, all is well. If you have 2, and spot it in time, same goes.

I once had 3 solved dedges after L4C, and successfully used 3-2 edge pairing, and got a nice time!

Worst cases are when the bloody edge you're looking for has been sliced to the back of the cube, or when you make a pair by slicing, and either lookahead flops or pairing system falls apart completely.


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[mark49152]

Worst cases are when the bloody edge you're looking for has been sliced to the back of the cube,

If you do 3-2-3 right, the first slice back should leave the back 2 slots filled so no more searching there. Which also means fewer rotations compared to 6-2.

 

[pipkiksass]

If you do 3-2-3 right, the first slice back should leave the back 2 slots filled so no more searching there. Which also means fewer rotations compared to 6-2.

I mean on the first slice, where the first edge you're looking for is on the back. I've started scanning the cube for maybe a second before I slice, to try and prevent this.

Also, sometimes the second edge I'm looking for was paired with the first one pre-slice, and has ended up at the back of the cube. I find this much harder to foresee, and it often costs me a few seconds.

But agreed, after the first 3 edges, everything is on U or (for me) LF dedge with 3-2-3. I always slice the same way, so I'm always placing the edge I'm looking for on the inner d layer, which makes pairing very smooth for me using only sexy, sledge, and their lefty mirrors to drop edges in.


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[kbrune]

Good day at Toronto limited so far

2x2
Hands felt off and nerves were a factor.
Easy ish scrambles so I still beat my average. 6.58 from 6.99. Missed my single by 0.02 lol

3x3

Crushed my official average!! Was 20.08.
Got an 18.59!!!!! Very nice surprise for me. All 5 solves under 20!