Sounds nice but how to you get it to do PLL scrambles ? I can't seem to find that in its options.
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Sounds nice but how to you get it to do PLL scrambles ? I can't seem to find that in its options.
mafergut
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Go to 3x3 scrambles on the left combo box ( the one you usually have on "WCA") and then choose PLL on the right one. I'm saying this from memory so I might be wrong.
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got it ! Thanks !
This is great !! The only thing it's missing is the ability to practice a subset of PLL's ie. the ones I learned the algs for so far
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mafergut
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But at least you can train your recognition on them as well.This is great !! The only thing it's missing is the ability to practice a subset of PLL's ie. the ones I learned the algs for so far
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JanW
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The lack of this feature should be good motivation to learn more algs.This is great !! The only thing it's missing is the ability to practice a subset of PLL's ie. the ones I learned the algs for so far
But even if you don't know the algs, you can still train recognition. It could be a good idea to learn to tell the difference between all cases already. (It's not necessary to be able to tell which a/b/c/d variant before you learn the algs, it's enough if you can tell if a G perm is a G perm.) Then when you identify a perm you don't know the alg for, you perform any known PLL alg in a random direction for another PLL case. Identify the next case and solve if you know the alg, otherwise do a random PLL alg again in a random direction.
muchacho
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First OH Mo100 under 40 seconds... just barely, 39.999 
I'm going to do a few more solves trying to improve that, but my hand is tired, 130 solves today.
edit: I'm done, 39.928
I'm going to do a few more solves trying to improve that, but my hand is tired, 130 solves today.
edit: I'm done, 39.928
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Hey guys,
Small question here.
I just used cwtimer's PLL tool to make an average of 100 using exclusively my 2look PLL algs (that is : Ua, Ub, E, H, Z and Aa, but not Ab). I got an average of 7.97 s. This is not technically the "ao100" that the site counts because it's the average, counting every solve, except about 4-5 of them where I screwed up either on the alg or on recognition and which I simply deleted.
Now my question is : how good is that time, considering my average (for series of 10+ solves) is consistently between 39 and 43 s ?
I wanted to use this time as a "baseline" to compare how I would improve while learning 1look PLL, but I have no idea what goals to set.
Thanks
Small question here.
I just used cwtimer's PLL tool to make an average of 100 using exclusively my 2look PLL algs (that is : Ua, Ub, E, H, Z and Aa, but not Ab). I got an average of 7.97 s. This is not technically the "ao100" that the site counts because it's the average, counting every solve, except about 4-5 of them where I screwed up either on the alg or on recognition and which I simply deleted.
Now my question is : how good is that time, considering my average (for series of 10+ solves) is consistently between 39 and 43 s ?
I wanted to use this time as a "baseline" to compare how I would improve while learning 1look PLL, but I have no idea what goals to set.
Thanks
Jason Green
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@teacher77 I would guess that is pretty on target but not sure. I actually did 20-30 PLLs on cstimer since we were talking about them on here. I was timing recognition and execution and getting about 4-5 seconds. A couple of sixes and maybe two sub 4. I'm averaging right about 20.xx so it seems on scale with your times. Were you timing recognition or just execution?
Really good execution only is like sub 1 second (for fast kids I mean). For most oldies sub 2 is good. I'm usually 2-3 for execution only.
Really good execution only is like sub 1 second (for fast kids I mean). For most oldies sub 2 is good. I'm usually 2-3 for execution only.
JanW
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@teacher77 why don't you use Ab?
1 look pll should improve times a lot. Getting PLL alg execution down to an average of 3-4 seconds should not be very hard. With a little bit of practice you should be able to execute most of them in 2-3 seconds.
I've only just learned full PLL, I now tried doing all 21 algs in a row, got 1:15, which is about 3.5 seconds/alg for execution only (with some time to stop and think about which alg comes next).
1 look pll should improve times a lot. Getting PLL alg execution down to an average of 3-4 seconds should not be very hard. With a little bit of practice you should be able to execute most of them in 2-3 seconds.
I've only just learned full PLL, I now tried doing all 21 algs in a row, got 1:15, which is about 3.5 seconds/alg for execution only (with some time to stop and think about which alg comes next).
h2f
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@teacher77 Last layer - I mean OLL + PLL - is over 1/3 of the solve. This means your LL should be around 14 seconds. With 8 seconds PLL it leaves 6 seconds for OLL. I think it's good.
Both. But it's not a big difference because for 2look PLL, my recognition is quite fast. 1st look is "are there headlights", which decides bettween Aa or E, 2nd look can be done with only 2 sides, to decide between Ua, Ub, Z or H. I never used Ab with 2look because the added recognition time didn't seem like is was worth saving an H only once every 6 solves or so. But now that I'm learning 1look, this is something that needs to be undone.
sub 2 for exec or recognition too ?
@JanW : the reason I wasn't using Ab is outlined above, but of course now I learned the alg. I now about 11 of the 21 algs so far and all of them I can perform sub 4. My problem isn't execution, it's the huge delay I take for recognition, AUF, etc.
Yeah, I never timed LL but 14 sec definitly sounds like my times. I get 11-12 once in a while, 17-19 when I'm unlucky.
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JanW
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In 2-look PLL you tell the difference by seeing if you have opposite color corners on front or left. When you get used to it, it shouldn't add to recognition time at all. It gets even easier in 1-look PLL when there are only 2 colors/side and no 3rd color edge piece to confuse you.
I do a regrip with left hand before starting an A perm. This regrip provides the extra split second needed to recognize which A perm it is.
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Selkie
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Thanks Miguel, nice to know some of the useless stuff I post is motivating for some. I have to be honest and say I get more motivation to improve from this thread than anywhere else
Some current targets I am working on at the moment:-
- Sub 2m 5x5 Average
- Sub 6m 7x7 Mean
- Sub 3m Mega Average
As for two sided recognition this is something I must really work on as I think it will be necessary for global sub 15.
mafergut
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So nice!!! Last time I recorded an Ao100 was in Dec 2015 and it was mid 44.xx so you're now way ahead of me at OH. I don't think I'm any faster than back then as I haven't practiced much. I even have problems at times with muscle memory of some PLLs (like Rs and E) so, I should practise more. Regarding PLLs and muscle memory, I was doing some 6x6 and two times in a row I got an R perm and was incapable of doing it. I have been practicing them on the 6x6 until I got them right. Still so clumsy with anything bigger than a 4x4.
First OH Mo100 under 40 seconds... just barely, 39.999
I'm going to do a few more solves trying to improve that, but my hand is tired, 130 solves today.
edit: I'm done, 39.928
So nice!!! Last time I recorded an Ao100 was in Dec 2015 and it was mid 44.xx so you're now way ahead of me at OH. I don't think I'm any faster than back then as I haven't practiced much. I even have problems at times with muscle memory of some PLLs (like Rs and E) so, I should practise more. Regarding PLLs and muscle memory, I was doing some 6x6 and two times in a row I got an R perm and was incapable of doing it. I have been practicing them on the 6x6 until I got them right. Still so clumsy with anything bigger than a 4x4.
muchacho
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Thanks, I should have practiced algs more, half of the time I was using 2-look CMLL still... and that won't improve, I'm "leaving" OH for now to practice BLD.
Lid
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Even sub2 Mega average should be easy for you with some more practice, and now with the new X-man Mega is fun again for me no more lockups, have already gotten a 1:39 single with it.
Atm I'm planning a small Kilominx page (CO+CP), just need a nice outline templet for the LL & I'm not that good with PS
Like this one
Jason Green
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I only used one A when I did 2 look also. Then when I started trying OH a little I was doing it too, but I've quit that now. Although I'm usually 2 look for OH still.
I meant sub 2 execution. Of course during solves hopefully you start being able to look ahead from OLL to PLL. I'm not very good at that though.
mafergut
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2:41.xx PB single 5x5, still can't sub-3 regularly and many solves go beyong 3:30.xx.
First sub-8 6x6 single, 7:47.xx, not sure if I should laugh or cry. Still the least misalignment of the Yuxin 6x6 ends up in a pop or serious lockup. I got last edge, OLL and PLL parity on it, though
First sub-8 6x6 single, 7:47.xx, not sure if I should laugh or cry. Still the least misalignment of the Yuxin 6x6 ends up in a pop or serious lockup. I got last edge, OLL and PLL parity on it, though
