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SpeedCubeReview said:
I switched ot HoYa. It is a few more moves it feels like but my look ahead is so much better when pairing the cross edges. I did Yau until my first comp when I didn't make the cut off and someone else there who was much faster than me suggested I try it.
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It looks like it's a really good method.

muchacho said:
Impatient my friend is, yes.

Do, or do not. There is no try.
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My goal is fullfield after 34 timed solves - ao5 1:27.87.
 
Yeah, it's like I'm around 10 seconds slower than with Yau. So - it was fast, but as I mentioned before - I did Hoya on 5x5 and 6x6. The only thing I had to figure out on 4x4 was a good method for 3rd and 4th center, but I do it with half center method starting with white half. Looks like it works but 10% are still bad ceneters order.
 
Shaky Hands said:
Wow that's an incredible improvement. Congratulations! :cool:
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Yeah, it is. It is so impressive that I ordered my Yuxin 6x6 this morning after reading it :p
Congrats @earth2dan, by the way!
I was practising 5x5 right now. It was a good solve, felt like probably my second sub-3 min even without any skips this time. Took a peek at the timer at the beginning of Y-perm, got nervous. Final time: 3:00.03 :(
 
Thanks guys. I just tried a Hoya 6x6 solve, 6:13.56 on my first try. I felt good, and more methodical than regular reduction. I fumbled a bit building the cross edges so I'm sure I have lots of room there to improve.

@mafergut I'm sure you're going to like the Yuxin 6x6. I'm really happy with it. You ordered the stickerless I hope ;)

mafergut said:
Took a peek at the timer at the beginning of Y-perm, got nervous. Final time: 3:00.03 :(
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I curse myself every time I do this. It always seems to do more harm than good to peek at the timer. Nice job though! You're improving really fast at 5x5. At this rate, it won't be long before you pass me :P I still haven't gotten my global average down under 3:00, but avg for the last 100 is 2:58.16, so I'm getting close.
 
earth2dan said:
Thanks guys. I just tried a Hoya 6x6 solve, 6:13.56 on my first try. I felt good, and more methodical than regular reduction. I fumbled a bit building the cross edges so I'm sure I have lots of room there to improve.

@mafergut I'm sure you're going to like the Yuxin 6x6. I'm really happy with it. You ordered the stickerless I hope ;)

I curse myself every time I do this. It always seems to do more harm than good to peek at the timer. Nice job though! You're improving really fast at 5x5. At this rate, it won't be long before you pass me :p I still haven't gotten my global average down under 3:00, but avg for the last 100 is 2:58.16, so I'm getting close.
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Wow! That's nice just for a first try at Hoya. Not sure if I should try Yau or Hoya (or both) for higher order cubes. Right now I just do reduction at 5x5. Of course I got the stickerless version of the 6x6.

For some time I configured csTimer to not display the time just because of this but I just can't help it at times :( Regarding improvement, well, this 3 min solve and yesterday's 2:54 were just lucky solves with easy L4E, my current average is more like 4 minutes so a lot to improve until I get even close to you, much less pass you. My splits in this solve seem to be around 26 sec F2C, 1 min total to finish centers and beyond that I'm not quite sure. Maybe around another 1 min for F8E, 30 sec L4E and another 30 for 3x3 stage.

EDIT: Finished an Ao50, got 3:59.24 so yeah, more like 4min atm.
 
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mafergut said:
Regarding improvement, well, this 3 min solve and yesterday's 2:54 were just lucky solves with easy L4E, my current average is more like 4 minutes so a lot to improve until I get even close to you, much less pass you. My splits in this solve seem to be around 26 sec F2C, 1 min total to finish centers and beyond that I'm not quite sure. Maybe around another 1 min for F8E, 30 sec L4E and another 30 for 3x3 stage.

EDIT: Finished an Ao50, got 3:59.24 so yeah, more like 4min atm.
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For perspective, it took me over a year to get my 5x5 times down to 3:00. I found progress came in bursts, where I would hit a wall and be stuck for a while and then something would click and suddenly I'd be 10-15 seconds faster.

Just recorded my splits for a random Ao5 using regular reduction. This was a good 2:45 average with pretty consistent times, so I think it's a good watermark for where I'm at currently.
Centers: 52.77
F8E: 55.24
L4E: 28.66
3x3: 28.65
 
Hi there,
I thought i would present myself in here because I fit the age requirement :)
I solved a cube for the first time at the end of the 80s. I had found at home a cube and a book on how to solve it. That was super fun, but then, I left the cube alone until 1995 when a classmate in university brought his cube in class. That was the first time I raced with someone. I was using some kind of keyhole and "lots of look" last layer method (orient edges, permute edges, permute corners, orient corners). I remember solving at around 60-70s.
My interest disappeared again until around 2008 when the 7x7 was released. When I saw that, I had to have one. This is also when I saw that a bunch of types of twisty puzzles existed. I started collecting and solving all sorts of cubes.
But I was always a little bothered when people were asking "how fast can you solve?". My answer was "I don't try to be fast, I just like solving". So last year, I decided to get "fast". I set my goal to 30s.

Here I am, 18 months later, I use CFOP with full OLL and PLL and I averaged around 25s. I am pretty happy with this, but I want to continue to improve.

I find this forum full of really good info and I thought I might finally say something :)
 
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@megagoune, Welcome to the forum and to this thread specifically!

@earth2dan, those splits match very closely what I more or less figured I did in my best solve of the day so it looks like I am not terrible at any step and just need to keep gradually improving. Do you solve the cross edges first? I usually do that but it limits the options during the next 4E as, e.g., I cannot do R2 (or F2 / L2) to quickly flip and edge to pair pieces as it destroys the cross, so I end up doing an edge flip instead, which costs some seconds. Maybe I should just do whatever edges I see and do the cross after finishing edge pairing. Regarding improvement, as you very well know, the further you get the harder it is to improve. My 1st timed solve and 1st recorded PB single (9:15.xx) happened on Jan 31st. Getting down to 4 minutes avg might have taken me just 4.5 months but getting down to 3 minutes is not gonna be easy, I'm sure.
 
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Welcome aboard @megagoune! I've been maintaining the Racing to sub-20 thread for some time now. We get 12 scrambles each week and the objective is to "graduate" from that thread and move on to the next benchmark. You graduate when you get 3 consecutive rounds with a sub-20 average. We're currently on round 504. I was around 25s as well when I started in that thread. You're more than welcome to participate. I usually close out the round on Fridays, but I won't get to that for several hours yet because I still need to do my average for the week.

mafergut said:
Do you solve the cross edges first? I usually do that but it limits the options during the next 4E as, e.g., I cannot do R2 (or F2 / L2) to quickly flip and edge to pair pieces as it destroys the cross, so I end up doing an edge flip instead, which costs some seconds. Maybe I should just do whatever edges I see and do the cross after finishing edge pairing.
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I don't build the cross, but I do usually build the white edges first, then the yellow. That's not a hard rule though, If I see a nice looking nearly complete edge, I'll take it. I don't focus on placing all the completed edges on the same face as I build them either, I just swap the completed edge out with whatever edge has the pieces I'm building next. I tried building my cross first, but I found it too costly. It only takes a few seconds to do the cross at 3x3 stage, and I'm sure I was losing more than that by trying to build it first and maintain it.
 
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SpeedCubeReview said:
I switched ot HoYa. It is a few more moves it feels like but my look ahead is so much better when pairing the cross edges. I did Yau until my first comp when I didn't make the cut off and someone else there who was much faster than me suggested I try it.
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I don't know if you saw it, but I challenged the idea that Hoya is less efficient than Yau on the Hoya thread.
https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/hoya-discussion.45461/page-24#post-1174672
Not definitive, and I never did get a sub60 movecount Mo12... but... since the movecount advantage of Yau is negligible, we can bask in the payoff of lookahead, guilt free.

h2f said:
It looks like it's a really good method.

My goal is fullfield after 34 timed solves - ao5 1:27.87.
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Yeeess.... YEEEESSSSS... JOIN US!!!

mafergut said:
Wow! That's nice just for a first try at Hoya. Not sure if I should try Yau or Hoya (or both) for higher order cubes. Right now I just do reduction at 5x5. Of course I got the stickerless version of the 6x6.
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Joooooooiiiiinnn uuuusssssss!!!

earth2dan said:
Thanks guys. I just tried a Hoya 6x6 solve, 6:13.56 on my first try. I felt good, and more methodical than regular reduction. I fumbled a bit building the cross edges so I'm sure I have lots of room there to improve.
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I'm gonna start sounding like a broken record, but I'm actually really happy to see more people giving Hoya a shot on larger cubes.
 
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