Rubik's Remember

[d4m4s74]

back to rubik´s remembered, yes, it´s a real cube solve with a fake blindfold solve, I mailed the local magic shop. The dvd by John George and tyson mao does contain a real blindsolve

also, Insta cube doesn´t have to be be taken apart when scrambled, you can solve it like a normal cube.
enchanted cube is a bit more difficult because one side is always scrambled, but still solvable. personally I just solve the F2l and take appart the LL (because of doubles you sometimes get parity)

I guess I heard this from someone that doesn't know how to solve a Rubik's Cube. But still, you can only show 5 sides of the Enchanted Cube, but all six sides of Insta-cube.

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[qqwref]

When a spectator sees a magician perform this, if the magician uses proper showmanship,the magician should be able to convince the spectator that BLD is impossible.

Right, and that's what I have a problem with. I don't want someone to assume I'm cheating or doing a magic trick if I try to show them a BLD solve. I'm completely fine with a magician claiming that something like pushing one solid metal ring into another, making objects vanish, and so on, are impossible - because they are. But I'm not fine with magicians convincing the public that things which are very possible albeit difficult (and which people have spent many hundreds of hours getting good at!) are impossible. And, you know, it's not like this is the only trick in magic (or even the only Rubik's Cube trick in magic). I don't think all magic is wrong (not at ALL), I just think that this particular trick is damaging to the cube community.

If I were to do a BLD during a mind-reading act for people that don't know that I can solve a Rubik's Cube, I would peek to ensure that I finished the solve-for entertainment purposes only.

Good thing you have those italicized things there *cough kuti cough*.
But yeah, it's not as impressive to get a DNF, although it can be to your benefit if you get close (3 pieces off, for instance) and act like you don't know whether it's solved or not (which you don't).

I can't tell you how cool it is to have people amazed because they saw something that looks impossible. It's something that you have to experience yourself.

I've seen it (and it's also the same look people get when they see you do something that looks insanely difficult, like doing a cube OH in ~30 seconds). I guess as a matter of personal preference I'd rather get it from doing something which is impressive even if you know how to do it, but that's just me.

The magicians that invented these tricks make money from people buying their products. By learning for free, you are literally taking food off of their tables.

What if you figure a trick out yourself? I think, as a cuber, the "Enchanted Cube" trick is simple enough to be able to figure out yourself after seeing it a couple of times. Is that stealing?

what would happen if anyone did "enchanted cube" at a competition (as a speedsolve)?

You... couldn't? Either you'd have to somehow give the scramblers the gimmicked cube and *then* convince them to give you a scramble that did nothing (and also convince the judge to let you solve it)... or you'd have to somehow switch out the cube they gave you with another, gimmicked one. In the first case you are God, and in the second case you'd probably be disqualified for obvious cheating.

 

[fanwuq]

KevinK,
How is QQ rude?

I don't care if people think BLD is impossible, it is possible and people train very hard to get fast at it. If everyone sees you pull a Kuti, BLD will be seen by everyone as just a trick. Plenty of people already think it's fake. This product just makes things worse. We don't want more cheaters at cubing competitions. BLD is possible and people should be honest! And defending a liar somehow makes you noble?\

Edit:

People are impressed when I do a sub-20 solve or sub-30 OH, or sub-3 min BLD. Respect comes with hard work, not cheap tricks.

 

[Rabid]

I'm working on a magic act around the cube, ..
Any other trick ideas?)

I think this threadjack has merit. I do a bit of magic myself, and wouldn't mind introducing a cube. Cards do fit in the slots..

 

[Stefan]

Please watch his promotion video again and tell me how it doesn't claim that and where it says he only pretends.

Because he says that he's a magician, his spectators know that what he does isn't real.

You misunderstand. You're right about the audience in that promotion video. He's kinda "honest" to them in the sense you described. But to the audience watching that promotion video, he isn't. Please recall that magiccafe thread where even the magicians were discussing whether his technique uses trickery or whether he's teaching to do it for real. They did not know what he does isn't real, and they knew he's a magician.

And the only statement I see in the video is this:
"NOW YOU TOO CAN SOLVE THE RUBIK CUBE - BLINDFOLDED!"
Um, sorry, no, with this technique I can not.

Here's a guy showing this trick, btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1GhT1qU_p4
I dislike how he introduces it saying "I'm not even sure whether this is magic".

 

[d4m4s74]

I think I'm going to practice BLD some more to get sub-2 minute and then do it at the magic club I'm in saying it's Rubik's remembered, and then ask them how it's done.
I can't do it at the new-year's meeting becaue it's 5 days away (too bad because there are some famous people/fake blindfold experts) but the next real meeting must be possible

 

[Mike Hughey]

I think I'm going to practice BLD some more to get sub-2 minute and then do it at the magic club I'm in saying it's Rubik's remembered, and then ask them how it's done.
I can't do it at the new-year's meeting becaue it's 5 days away (too bad because there are some famous people/fake blindfold experts) but the next real meeting must be possible

If there are people there who don't know it's really possible without faking, it could be great. You could show them your "new" version of the Rubik's Remember illusion, and have an assistant put paper between you and the cube while you solve. Then you can enjoy while a bunch of magicians start begging you to sell them your improvement on the trick!

 

[Dene]

Wow, whatever method he was using it took a lot of moves.

 

[shelley]

If it's comfortable for you, just do it behind your back. People won't be able to accuse you of peeking (just stay away from mirrors), and they always think it's harder to solve behind your back, even though your hands are doing the moves exactly the same.

 

[Rabid]

If it's comfortable for you, just do it behind your back. .

Under a table seems easier. A bit weird though.

 

[d4m4s74]

there might be a camera under the table and a mini screen inside the blindfold

people come up with the weirdest things when watching things that seem impossible

 

[KevinK]

When a spectator sees a magician perform this, if the magician uses proper showmanship,the magician should be able to convince the spectator that BLD is impossible.

Right, and that's what I have a problem with. I don't want someone to assume I'm cheating or doing a magic trick if I try to show them a BLD solve. I'm completely fine with a magician claiming that something like pushing one solid metal ring into another, making objects vanish, and so on, are impossible - because they are. But I'm not fine with magicians convincing the public that things which are very possible albeit difficult (and which people have spent many hundreds of hours getting good at!) are impossible. And, you know, it's not like this is the only trick in magic (or even the only Rubik's Cube trick in magic). I don't think all magic is wrong (not at ALL), I just think that this particular trick is damaging to the cube community.

If I were to do a BLD during a mind-reading act for people that don't know that I can solve a Rubik's Cube, I would peek to ensure that I finished the solve-for entertainment purposes only.

Good thing you have those italicized things there *cough kuti cough*.
But yeah, it's not as impressive to get a DNF, although it can be to your benefit if you get close (3 pieces off, for instance) and act like you don't know whether it's solved or not (which you don't).

I can't tell you how cool it is to have people amazed because they saw something that looks impossible. It's something that you have to experience yourself.

I've seen it (and it's also the same look people get when they see you do something that looks insanely difficult, like doing a cube OH in ~30 seconds). I guess as a matter of personal preference I'd rather get it from doing something which is impressive even if you know how to do it, but that's just me.

The magicians that invented these tricks make money from people buying their products. By learning for free, you are literally taking food off of their tables.

What if you figure a trick out yourself? I think, as a cuber, the "Enchanted Cube" trick is simple enough to be able to figure out yourself after seeing it a couple of times. Is that stealing?

If you do a BLD for someone that thinks that it's impossible, you can convince them that it's possible. After you've finished the BLD, tell them about how you memorize where each piece goes with letters and numbers. This will ultimately make them think less about the magician, but higher of you. You can make a lay person think anything you want them to.

When someone sees a sub-20 solve, they are impressed. The difference from that and seeing something impossible is that the spectator knows that with practice, he or she could do a sub-20 solve, too. When someone sees something that is impossible, he or she has no idea how it was achieved. With no explanation, he or she doesn't think that he or she could do it. The reaction might look the same, but it doesn't feel the same to the spectator.

Figuring out a trick is fine. It's the creator's fault if he or she puts up a crappy demonstration. If you're going to use the trick, you should pay for the trick so that you have the performance rights. Jcuber didn't figure it out, he was asking for information that he didn't have the right to. I do understand that it's because he isn't familiar with magic ethics, so I can easily forgive him.

 

[Stefan]

what would happen if anyone did "enchanted cube" at a competition (as a speedsolve)?

You... couldn't? Either you'd have to somehow give the scramblers the gimmicked cube and *then* convince them to give you a scramble that did nothing (and also convince the judge to let you solve it)... or you'd have to somehow switch out the cube they gave you with another, gimmicked one. In the first case you are God, and in the second case you'd probably be disqualified for obvious cheating.

More to the point: If someone can pull that off, he could instead use the exact same way to fake a real solve.

Wow, whatever method he was using it took a lot of moves.

Must be part of the mentioned brilliance.

 

[Rabid]

Some of you seem to have an overprotective defensive stance for the cubing community. Maybe I’m an island, but it’s a fractured alliance at best. No “outsiders” care a diddle about what any cuber achieves; every feat is impressive to some degree. If anything it’s even more remarkable to achieve a result that was believed to be impossible without trickery.

 

[KevinK]

KevinK,
How is QQ rude?

QQ would do something to damage the reputation of Mark Elsdon. Assuming that other people are watching, because they always are, making a magician screw up would take away the wonder and mystery from the minds of others. People like not knowing.

 

[Rabid]

making a magician screw up would take away the wonder and mystery from the minds of others. People like not knowing.

Any magician will tell you people HATE not knowing. They will beg you for the answer and do everything in their power to screw you up. It's actually quite hard to maintain control sometimes.

 

[Stefan]

QQ would do something to damage the reputation of Mark Elsdon. Assuming that other people are watching, because they always are, making a magician screw up would take away the wonder and mystery from the minds of others.

If Mark doesn't have an escape plan for that kind of thing, it's his own fault. If he can't see the cube anymore because someone holds something in between, he could simply fake being interrupted and screwing up the same way a real blindsolver can be interrupted and screw up.

 

[joey]

When someone sees a sub-20 solve, they are impressed. The difference from that and seeing something impossible is that the spectator knows that with practice, he or she could do a sub-20 solve, too. When someone sees something that is impossible, he or she has no idea how it was achieved. With no explanation, he or she doesn't think that he or she could do it. The reaction might look the same, but it doesn't feel the same to the spectator.

But BLD solving *is* possible..

 

[KevinK]

Please watch his promotion video again and tell me how it doesn't claim that and where it says he only pretends.

Because he says that he's a magician, his spectators know that what he does isn't real.

You misunderstand. You're right about the audience in that promotion video. He's kinda "honest" to them in the sense you described. But to the audience watching that promotion video, he isn't. Please recall that magiccafe thread where even the magicians were discussing whether his technique uses trickery or whether he's teaching to do it for real. They did not know what he does isn't real, and they knew he's a magician.

And the only statement I see in the video is this:
"NOW YOU TOO CAN SOLVE THE RUBIK CUBE - BLINDFOLDED!"
Um, sorry, no, with this technique I can not.

Here's a guy showing this trick, btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1GhT1qU_p4
I dislike how he introduces it saying "I'm not even sure whether this is magic".

Murphy's Magic Supplies dose mislead the customers a little bit. The user "Double_Lift" seemed the most confused, and this is because he was looking at it from the viewpoint of a cuber, not a magician, and he admitted it. John George then began to mislead others.

While the statement in the video isn't technically true, it's fine with me. With their other products, they claim that you can make any object disappear at any time.

When the guy in the video said "I'm not even sure whether this is magic," it is true to some extent, it's mentalism. Don't be worried, it's the kind of line that will get replaced soon. And, he says that he's a magician.

 

[KevinK]

making a magician screw up would take away the wonder and mystery from the minds of others. People like not knowing.

Any magician will tell you people HATE not knowing. They will beg you for the answer and do everything in their power to screw you up. It's actually quite hard to maintain control sometimes.

Any magician-including me-will tell you that people say that they hate not knowing. Deep down, they really don't want to know. Having someone tell you how it's done is like having someone tell you that there isn't a Santa Claus when you're 6 years old.