ABHC 2015 - 29-30th August [Hertfordshire, UK]

[DuffyEdge]

Skewb: WR/ WR

Are you sub 3 ?

 

[Selkie]

interested in the 5x5, but I'll try it out first

Sure, no worries. You'll get 1st refusal

 

[Isaac Lai]

Single obviously depends on the scramble. Jan's 1.68 was a 2 move layer + sledge, so if you get a scramble like that 1.68 is pretty easy to beat.

anyway, sub-3 wr average gogogogogo

3 move layer. 2 moves would have been illegal, like Nathan Soria's DNFed WR

 

[Hssandwich]

goals (event: single / avg)

2x2: sub 1 if easy scramble / sub 2 nr
3x3: sub 15 / sub 19
4x4: lol? / screwed
pyra: sub 3 / sub 5
oh: sub 19 / sub 20

also yee corny and alex are going its a battle for second place who will win?

Really? You improved in 2x2 to world class level from 6 seconds in a few months?

 

[Myachii]

Really? You improved in 2x2 to world class level from 6 seconds in a few months?

Maybe he's being optimistic, I could put WR 3x3 single on my goals

 

[Berd]

Really? You improved in 2x2 to world class level from 6 seconds in a few months?

I was going to say that too.


I'll put my goals up soon; still don't know if I can make it.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

Goals: CHJ finally beats my bigBLD times.

I'm not going so no actual goals.

 

[SHualong]

Registered. Below are my goals (single/avg/round):
3x3: 25sec/30sec/2nd
2x2: 4sec/8sec/2nd
4x4: 2.00/DNF/1st (Hard)
5x5: 4.30/DNF/1st
OH: 1.10/1.25/1st
Skewb: 8sec/10sec/Final (Unlikely)

 

[thelunarbros]

Really? You improved in 2x2 to world class level from 6 seconds in a few months?

extreme optimism + full eg in 3 to 4 weeks

i average 2.5 seconds with eg so if i learn a couple tcll algs and improve my faces / recognition then i think i'll get close.

at wgc 2015 i averaged about 4 seconds at home with ortega but i was under pressure because 1st comp and 1st event so i sucked

 

[Berkmann18]

extreme optimism + full eg in 3 to 4 weeks

i average 2.5 seconds with eg so if i learn a couple tcll algs and improve my faces / recognition then i think i'll get close.

at wgc 2015 i averaged about 4 seconds at home with ortega but i was under pressure because 1st comp and 1st event so i sucked

also if you want to learn eg quickly like i did just learn a set per day and have patience. i hate it when people say learn 1 alg a day because that's slow. doing something 128 times over 4 months is slow

and learn 3 sticker recognition method for sune / anti sune. helps alot

You forget that it's not recommended to over learn/memorise stuff as you won't remember 100% of that stuff (unless you are at least pretty good at memory sports like Maskow). What's the point of memorizing a lot of algs if you don't manage to practice your recognition and train your brain to link thoses algs to the correct cases and make the process fluent ?

Anyway for my goals: (single / average)
2x2: sub1.05 (if possible) / sub5
3x3: sub18 / sub26
4x4: sub1 / sub1:30
5x5: sub2:40/sub3
6x6: sub5:50/sub6:30
Skewb: sub5/sub9
Clock: not working anymore so DNS/DNS
Megaminx: sub4:50/sub5
3BLD: success/success
FMC: sub50
Pyraminx: sub10/sub18
OH: sub40/sub50
Sq1: sub40/sub50

 

[~Adam~]

Clock: not working anymore so DNS/DNS

Have you tried changing the batteries?

 

[thelunarbros]

You forget that it's not recommended to over learn/memorise stuff as you won't remember 100% of that stuff (unless you are at least pretty good at memory sports like Maskow). What's the point of memorizing a lot of algs if you don't manage to practice your recognition and train your brain to link thoses algs to the correct cases and make the process fluent ?

it's not like i didn't practise recognition or go over them frequently while learning them. it worked for me and it got it done pretty quickly. i can get recognition and execution of each eg alg in under 1.5 seconds now. but i see where you're going when you say that there was no point in doing what i did if i didn't go over recognition as well, which i thankfully did.

 

[Myachii]

it's not like i didn't practise recognition or go over them frequently while learning them. it worked for me and it got it done pretty quickly. i can get recognition and execution of each eg alg in under 1.5 seconds now. but i see where you're going when you say that there was no point in doing what i did if i didn't go over recognition as well, which i thankfully did.

Imo you should do as many as you want/are able to do. I learnt 70% of OLL in 2 or 3 days, and I never had to lookup an alg because I'd forgotten it. Do whatever works best for you.

Have you tried changing the batteries?

Or you could use it in comp to keep track of the time during FMC

 

[thelunarbros]

Imo you should do as many as you want/are able to do. I learnt 70% of OLL in 2 or 3 days, and I never had to lookup an alg because I'd forgotten it. Do whatever works best for you.

i think people misunderstood when i said full eg in 3 to 4 weeks. i already learned it in 24 days, learning 1-2 set per day including recognition. it really depends on what you think really.

 

[Berkmann18]

Have you tried changing the batteries?

Lol XD. the clock literally falls apart and I don't have enough money and time to buy a new one but as it's an IDGF event for me, it can wait.

 

[Berkmann18]

Imo you should do as many as you want/are able to do. I learnt 70% of OLL in 2 or 3 days, and I never had to lookup an alg because I'd forgotten it. Do whatever works best for you.

I agree, I don't say that someone should learn 1 alg per day, but it's better to take as much time as you can to get it down without having to lookup the sheet once again, if I wanted to, I could learn full KhLL (Keyhole LL, also known as 3x3 "pure" CLL) in a week (1 full set per day) but I know that due to my brain pathology (Corpus Callum Agenesis) I cannot memorise a lot of informations no matter if it's digits (e.g: .. of pi or exponential), long text, or algs so I have to limit myself to 3-4 algs per day (with recognition and finger tricks changes included).

 

[Myachii]

I agree, I don't say that someone should learn 1 alg per day, but it's better to take as much time as you can to get it down without having to lookup the sheet once again, if I wanted, I could learn full KhLL (also known as 3x3 "pure" CLL) in a week (1 full set per day) but I know that due to my brain pathology (Corpus Callum Agenesis) I cannot memorise a lot of informations no matter if it's digits (e.g: .. of pi or exponential), long text, or algs so I have to limit myself to 3-4 algs per day (with recognition and finger tricks changes included).

You say you can't memorise lots of information, i.e algs. But is it really your mind memorising it?
I mean, you don't sit at a table and look at an alg, close your eyes and say "R U R' U' " etc. out loud do you? I think the reason why people generally are able to learn algorithms more easily and in greater quantities is because it's muscle memory and not "conscious" memory (meaning you don't have to think about what you're doing)

For example, if I really tried my hardest to learn as much of pi as possible in one day, I would be surprised if I could pass 50 digits. But with algs, I think I could easily learn a couple dozen in a day, and still remember 99% of them the next morning. Once you do the first couple moves of an alg, your muscles will remember the rest and you can do it without thinking.

To all - If you think you will only be able to remember 2 algs a day because your regular memory is bad, go for 5 algs. Practice them a bit, then do another 5. Spend the rest of the night practicing them without looking and whilst your mind is on something else. When you wake up you will be surprised at how many of them you remember.

 

[Berkmann18]

You say you can't memorise lots of information, i.e algs. But is it really your mind memorising it?
I mean, you don't sit at a table and look at an alg, close your eyes and say "R U R' U' " etc. out loud do you? I think the reason why people generally are able to learn algorithms more easily and in greater quantities is because it's muscle memory and not "conscious" memory (meaning you don't have to think about what you're doing)

For example, if I really tried my hardest to learn as much of pi as possible in one day, I would be surprised if I could pass 50 digits. But with algs, I think I could easily learn a couple dozen in a day, and still remember 99% of them the next morning. Once you do the first couple moves of an alg, your muscles will remember the rest and you can do it without thinking.

To all - If you think you will only be able to remember 2 algs a day because your regular memory is bad, go for 5 algs. Practice them a bit, then do another 5. Spend the rest of the night practicing them without looking and whilst your mind is on something else. When you wake up you will be surprised at how many of them you remember.

When you memorise something it's stored in your brain, I'm sure you already know that. And that is no matter which sub-memory you use such as the muscle memory used in cubing.
The thing is that when you memorise an alg, you will have the pattern or just "how it goes (on the cube state)" in your mind than after repeating it your muscle memory will be impregnated with that alg while it remains in your mind. After doing it for a long time without thinking about each moves or each sequences your brain will still have it stored in an allocated free slot.
However most people think that once something reaches the muscle memory (for any things where you will repeatly do/use something, e.g: musical instruments, X-sports) it's no longer in your brain where it started to be, but still there no matter how long/huge it is, so if you have some mental issues and you memorise stuff to get them into your muscle memo, you won't be exempted from forgetting that thing.

And to "illustrate" that, I used to do MCR (Math Constant Reciting) in a typing aspect therefore I was memorising digits and also getting them into muscle memo but I practiced much less and less and even tho I could type 150+ digits of pi without thinking, I was still using my mind to gather each chunks.

As for the "pre-night training", I agree as it's an efficient way to memorise and remember (pretty much effortless) anything you want.

 

[Myachii]

When you memorise something it's stored in your brain, I'm sure you already know that. And that is no matter which sub-memory you use such as the muscle memory used in cubing.
The thing is that when you memorise an alg, you will have the pattern or just "how it goes (on the cube state)" in your mind than after repeating it your muscle memory will be impregnated with that alg while it remains in your mind. After doing it for a long time without thinking about each moves or each sequences your brain will still have it stored in an allocated free slot.
However most people think that once something reaches the muscle memory (for any things where you will repeatly do/use something, e.g: musical instruments, X-sports) it's no longer in your brain where it started to be, but still there no matter how long/huge it is, so if you have some mental issues and you memorise stuff to get them into your muscle memo, you won't be exempted from forgetting that thing.

And to "illustrate" that, I used to do MCR (Math Constant Reciting) in a typing aspect therefore I was memorising digits and also getting them into muscle memo but I practiced much less and less and even tho I could type 150+ digits of pi without thinking, I was still using my mind to gather each chunks.

As for the "pre-night training", I agree as it's an efficient way to memorise and remember (pretty much effortless) anything you want.

Yeah I do agree that the command to execute the algorithm is sent from your brain, but to me it feels like after a while, your brain hardly has any input at all, because I've found that I can do a solve and by the time I've entered the time in on my PC I've forgotten what OLL case it was.
I probably have no idea what I'm talking about and you have knowledge of the field so I'm not gonna go into a detailed description of my opinion xD
I just feel that learning algs is much easier that memorising Pi, or learning dates.

 

[Berkmann18]

Yeah I do agree that the command to execute the algorithm is sent from your brain, but to me it feels like after a while, your brain hardly has any input at all, because I've found that I can do a solve and by the time I've entered the time in on my PC I've forgotten what OLL case it was.
I probably have no idea what I'm talking about and you have knowledge of the field so I'm not gonna go into a detailed description of my opinion xD
I just feel that learning algs is much easier that memorising Pi, or learning dates.

The reason why you forget what OLL case you had is because it went in your STM (Short Term Memory) and your subconscious mind cleared it off the bait as it was something considered as negligible to be remembered.
Concerning what is easy for your to memo between an alg, digits, text or even images, it all comes to what we could call memo preferences. In my case I discovered I was better at memorising numbers (even the name of numbers in a foreign language) with much more ease than words or a mix of both. As for algs, I don't know if a algorithmic/instructive memo (usable in sports like dance, skateboarding and B.M.X), I'm not sure if I'm better in that area than with digits.