[WR] Rami Sbahi - 0.58 2x2 Single and 1.55 Average

However, I don't want to sound rude, but stating *the timers displays were intentionally unplugged for the first solve* without giving any further information is bad.
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I don't want to see a competitor walking around the timer stations and unplugging the displays the next time there is an easy scramble because "that's how they did it in Canada".
My bad, that didn't cross my mind. That definitely should not be the take-away.

IMO it was a far better idea than leaving them always plugged in, since it would be very hard to control the crowd from cheering at all the sub2s. It needed to be done carefully and secretly though, which is what we tried our best to do.
 
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Don't mean to sound silly here, but is it really desirable for people not to know about good times? I mean in 2x2 of course it's a special case because really fast times are obviously more scramble-dependent, but I'm not convinced that the effort it takes to hide fast solves and the loss in fun of "whoo i just witnessed or got a fast solve and want to celebrate it" is really worth keeping people in the dark about the probable existence of an easy scramble.

I'm curious as to how this was handled at Trentin Open 2011, or other competitions with <6 move solutions.

As you said 2x2 (and pyraminx) is a special case since good time in those almost always means LOL-scramble.
On other puzzles, like 3x3, the good time usually is because a) that person just did a better than average solve (completely unrelated to scramble) b) got PLL/OLL skip. (not really helping other competitors either if they know that someone got a skip on that scramble...)
 
Banning a 10 year old kid for trying to help is extremely silly.

A warning to the kid would be 10x more effective.

Where in this context is he helping? He's blatantly going against WCA rules and was reminded minutes prior to NOT share scrambles with people. I think a ban is justified in this situation. The WCA should not treat children differently for making mistakes.
 
Where in this context is he helping? He's blatantly going against WCA rules and was reminded minutes prior to NOT share scrambles with people. I think a ban is justified in this situation. The WCA should not treat children differently for making mistakes.

Well technically he was trying to help, albeit in a rather annoying and rule-breaking way.
Don't get me wrong though, I do agree with you. Everyone was (supposedly, I wasn't there) warned about it, and yet he still broke the rule. His age doesn't really protect him from that. The delegates should handle this as they would if he were an adult.
 
Wait, people actually want the .58 single to be official? You're kidding, right?
Surely you must be kidding. We have regulations. For a reason.

I don't necessarily think this should be official, I just thinks it deserves the same treatment as Feliks' solve. Feliks' solve broke the regulations, and he benefited from it.
 
I don't necessarily think this should be official, I just thinks it deserves the same treatment as Feliks' solve. Feliks' solve broke the regulations, and he benefited from it.

I partially agree with this, because Rami could have gotten the WR even without that "help" it's so clear.
but this isn't really like Feliks' situation... but I believe it should be handled like it.
 
I don't necessarily think this should be official, I just thinks it deserves the same treatment as Feliks' solve. Feliks' solve broke the regulations, and he benefited from it.

The thing is, Feliks' OH solve was only misscrambled, and the misscramble was a possible output of the scrambling program. Having more than 15 seconds inspection time or looking at the scramble beforehand is not allowed under any circumstance
 
The thing is, Feliks' OH solve was only misscrambled, and the misscramble was a possible output of the scrambling program. Having more than 15 seconds inspection time or looking at the scramble beforehand is not allowed under any circumstance

Misscramble isn't allowed under any circumstance too, but it happened and was considered a legal solve. He did not look (intentionally) at the scramble, and I don't think he overinspected (even counting the time that the kid was showing him the scramble), because look how in two seconds he was done with inspection. Come on, he can one-look every 2x2 solve in the inspection time, obviously he would have seen that solution in no time even if he didn't know it was easy beforehand. In my case, I would have a much worse time knowing it's an easy scramble than realising in inspection that I have an easy scramble.
 
Maybe we should just do what the WCA did with this guy and ban the kid from 2x2 for a bit or permanently.

There should be a reprimand to this. Disregard age, because the delegate told everybody not to discuss scrambles.

Also, when Lucas got his .96 single down here in Texas last year, we just kept all of the timers plugged in.
 
This is laudable and all of Rami, but I can't help to think it's a bit unnecessary. I mean, surely you would have been able to figure out the solution even if you didn't know it was a 4-mover beforehand?
 
The thing is, Feliks' OH solve was only misscrambled, and the misscramble was a possible output of the scrambling program. Having more than 15 seconds inspection time or looking at the scramble beforehand is not allowed under any circumstance

It was allowed for Chris Olsen with the reasoning that it;
a) wasn't his fault
b) he gained no advantage
And to me Chris gained a bigger advantage since he actually used over 15, whereas Rami had over 15 but didn't lose it

Edit: Though if Chris did an extra solve I'm sure it would've been used...
 
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It was allowed for Chris Olsen with the reasoning that it;
a) wasn't his fault
b) he gained no advantage
And to me Chris gained a bigger advantage since he actually used over 15, whereas Rami had over 15 but didn't lose it

Edit: Though if Chris did an extra solve I'm sure it would've been used...

You could also argue he had about 10 minutes of inspection, starting from the point when the competitor gave him the scramble.
 
It's a terrible shame that we are where we are but I really don't get the argument that Rami would have seen the solution anyway, so he should be awarded the WR.
It seems illogical, and would set an unusual precedent. Would we e.g. have to reconsider solves with inadvertent corner twists as a result?

And just to take it to a real extreme, should we not therefore award the WR to someone else capable of one-looking the solve competing that weekend who has a higher TPS than Rami and who therefore would and should?
The Faz situation was different. I think that discussions about this situation should involve treating it on its own merits rather than trying to draw skewed comparisons.

Oh, and I think that a ban is definitely in order.

Just my two cents, y'all.
 
Right - A kid sits down and does his solve. He then goes up to Feliks and says "Practice this scramble, you can get a WR from this if you pracitce". Feliks studies the cube and realises that the kid isn't lying. He practices the scramble over and over till he knows it by heart. During the solve he performs F2L, then OLL without pause and, say, gets a PLL skip. 3.98 seconds.
Would you allow that solve? There are a few reasons why I don't think that this should be allowed (despite it not being Rami's fault):
1) Nerves. You see a good cross you begin sweating like hell, especially if you're fast enough to possibly get a WR.
2) We're talking about a World Record here. Something of international importance. Not just a competition podium - Something that could make the news and many non-cubers will see it for many years, even if it is beaten.
3) We're all cubers here. We know that to an extent we can plan ahead for our solves. In the Feliks example above, it would almost come naturally and is something we can't avoid. It isn't Rami's fault for figuring out the solution in his head, it's the kid who showed him the cube for giving him a chance to.

As unfortunate as it is I just think there is no way that this will be accepted as an official solve. I hate to be the one to say this but at the end of the day, Rami's word is all the proof we have that he didn't either go and practice the solve or write a solution to it down on a sheet of paper.

If Rami were to be allowed to keep this (and the average WR) then he would prove that all you have to do is sneak the scramble of a solve from someone, practice it, perform it and then tell the delegate that you were shown the cube before and you could just as easily fraud yourself a World Record.
 
Right - A kid sits down and does his solve. He then goes up to Feliks and says "Practice this scramble, you can get a WR from this if you pracitce". Feliks studies the cube and realises that the kid isn't lying. He practices the scramble over and over till he knows it by heart. During the solve he performs F2L, then OLL without pause and, say, gets a PLL skip. 3.98 seconds.
Would you allow that solve? There are a few reasons why I don't think that this should be allowed (despite it not being Rami's fault):
1) Nerves. You see a good cross you begin sweating like hell, especially if you're fast enough to possibly get a WR.
2) We're talking about a World Record here. Something of international importance. Not just a competition podium - Something that could make the news and many non-cubers will see it for many years, even if it is beaten.
3) We're all cubers here. We know that to an extent we can plan ahead for our solves. In the Feliks example above, it would almost come naturally and is something we can't avoid. It isn't Rami's fault for figuring out the solution in his head, it's the kid who showed him the cube for giving him a chance to.

As unfortunate as it is I just think there is no way that this will be accepted as an official solve. I hate to be the one to say this but at the end of the day, Rami's word is all the proof we have that he didn't either go and practice the solve or write a solution to it down on a sheet of paper.

If Rami were to be allowed to keep this (and the average WR) then he would prove that all you have to do is sneak the scramble of a solve from someone, practice it, perform it and then tell the delegate that you were shown the cube before and you could just as easily fraud yourself a World Record.

I agree with you about the acceptance of this solve as being an opportunity for cheating. It was the same with Feliks OH WR. Accepting it only give cheater a good way to cheat and easily get away with it. Afterward you confess that you saw the scramble beforehand or that it was a mis-scramble, and if the WCA doesn't have any proof that you cheated they have to accept it for the idiotic reason that "it wasn't you fault", and the cubing community thinks that you are such a great, honest guy because you confessed that the regs were broken (even though the shouldn't because you knew all along that it would be kept).
 
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I really don't think it's fair, though, to allow people to have the power to stop a world record from happening by doing this. As someone said earlier, if you hold a record yourself, and you get an easy scramble, and you know someone else who is fast will get the scramble, can't you just tell them the scramble so they don't get your record? So what if your average is DNF, you still get to keep your record. The only way to prevent this from being allowed is by seriously punishing the kid to show that if you're gonna prevent a record, then you shouldn't have the chance to compete for a while.
 
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