24h cubing marathon in Hungary

[Zava]

For those of you who didn't know about it, we've had a 24 hour long cubing marathon in Budapest that took place this weekend. The results can be found at www.rubikstudio.hu, but I'll copy the main things here:

Name Avg Cubes solved DNF OLL PLL LL (skips)
Mátyás Kuti 21,09 4096 0 - - -
Milán Baticz 18,05 4786 2 47 90 0
Richárd Nagy 29,69 2910 8 8 17 0
Balázs Bernát 24,65 3505 3 13 29 1
Csapat - Teamsolvers 25,18 3401 + 30 22 9 31 0
Total 23,07 18728

The +30 with the teamsolvers is because 30 people solved one last cube in the final, last minute.
It was a great experience, and I'm happy to have solved 3500+ (my goal that I broke by as much as 5 cubes , the last one of which was done blindfolded) cubes, although my right wrist is dead ATM.

We've broken both unofficial world records. (it's supposed to become official nevertheless, since we had a guinness record registrator at the scene)

 

[Dene]

Wow, nice one guys! Especially Milán!

 

[DavidWoner]

WOW! now andrew has to do another 24h marathon, since his record was broken.

 

[Stefan]

Milan wrote he got 91 PLL and 47 OLL skips. That's very high, expected are 66 and 22. Someone able to please compute the probabilities for getting 91 and 47.

 

[AvGalen]

Milan wrote he got 91 PLL and 47 OLL skips. That's very high, expected are 66 and 22. Someone able to please compute the probabilities for getting 91 and 47.

Why are 66 and 22 expected? Don't you think someone like Milan knows more than doing regular OLL/PLL? I think edge control and knowing multiple algs for OLL's is the reason he got so many skips.

(and I think you are able to compute that probability just fine)

Nice job everyone and congratulations on the results. Finally an impressive cube record will be listed with Guinness.
Now what happens when Andrew keeps going like Milán? I heard he only stopped for 8 minutes!

 

[Stefan]

Milan just said he used Fridrich and sometimes starting blockstyle, nothing about enhancements. If he did use some, then yes, of course the expectations change. Btw, I also noticed Richard and Balazs had significantly *fewer* skips than expected. I'd like to know the probabilities for them as well. And yes I could compute them, but not easily, and I suspect Lucas for example could just plug the numbers into mathematica or so, which I don't have.

 

[Zava]

Milan just said he used Fridrich and sometimes starting blockstyle, nothing about enhancements. If he did use some, then yes, of course the expectations change. Btw, I also noticed Richard and Balazs had significantly *fewer* skips than expected. I'd like to know the probabilities for them as well. And yes I could compute them, but not easily, and I suspect Lucas for example could just plug the numbers into mathematica or so, which I don't have.

When I skipped "on purpose" (for example I knew and used some ELL cases instead of only edges OLLs), we didn't count that. I'd have around 20-30/10-20 more PLL/OLL skips with them.
Anyway, I dont think I only had 13 + that 20-30 pll skip, they must have miscounted it.
(miscounted: does that word exist?)
edit: now I see I swapped the OLL and PLL skips columns -.-

 

[AvGalen]

Milan just said he used Fridrich and sometimes starting blockstyle, nothing about enhancements. If he did use some, then yes, of course the expectations change. Btw, I also noticed Richard and Balazs had significantly *fewer* skips than expected. I'd like to know the probabilities for them as well. And yes I could compute them, but not easily, and I suspect Lucas for example could just plug the numbers into mathematica or so, which I don't have.

I don't know the setup of the event, but maybe Milan picked the cubes where he saw PLL-skips would occur. I read on youtube and this forum that you can do that :rolleyes:

And maybe you like this: http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/experience/request.cgi so you don't have to wait for Lucas

 

[Kenneth]

The possibility to swich method to force skips as Zava writes must come in as a factor here. For example you can force PLL-skip by using Niklas (or commutators) instead of Sune (or whatever) for OLL if the edges are correctly positioned already.

 

[Lucas Garron]

<< Statistics`DiscreteDistributions`
In: 1 - CDF[BinomialDistribution[4786, 1/72], 91] // N
Out: 0.00162
In: 1 - CDF[BinomialDistribution[4786, 1/216], 47] // N
Out: 1.2414e-6

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Milan wrote he got 91 PLL and 47 OLL skips. That's very high, expected are 66 and 22. Someone able to please compute the probabilities for getting 91 and 47.

Why are 66 and 22 expected? Don't you think someone like Milan knows more than doing regular OLL/PLL? I think edge control and knowing multiple algs for OLL's is the reason he got so many skips.

(and I think you are able to compute that probability just fine)

Nice job everyone and congratulations on the results. Finally an impressive cube record will be listed with Guinness.
Now what happens when Andrew keeps going like Milán? I heard he only stopped for 8 minutes!

Go Milan!

 

[Kenny]

He was a jerk again though. He kept accusing Matyi of cheating, so János (director of the Rubik Stúdió) started watching them both closely and timed averages, and Matyi's turned out to be better PP. But he used like 2-3 more "techniques" to keep Matyi's bloodpressure high, so to speak. His entire family present was on to Matyi trying to find discrepencies, picking at him in every possible way and all that. We were all really pissed of at Milán, or at least most of us (10-20 people at least if not more), but we just didn't want to descend to his level...
After about 19-21 hours of screwing around, Matyi decided that he'd stop giving a **** with Milán being an ass, so he took a nice nap of 2 hours and then he finished his final cubes so he'd get the ammount he decided to get (2^12) when he realized that he couldn't beat Milán as it was.

 

[Zava]

yeah, I forgot, Matyi had brutal 5 in a rows. 50.xx, 53.xx, 55.xx 5 in a rows

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Go Milan!

 

[tim]

He was a jerk again though. He kept accusing Matyi of cheating, so János (director of the Rubik Stúdió) started watching them both closely and timed averages, and Matyi's turned out to be better PP. But he used like 2-3 more "techniques" to keep Matyi's bloodpressure high, so to speak. His entire family present was on to Matyi trying to find discrepencies, picking at him in every possible way and all that. We were all really pissed of at Milán, or at least most of us (10-20 people at least if not more), but we just didn't want to descend to his level...
After about 19-21 hours of screwing around, Matyi decided that he'd stop giving a **** with Milán being an ass, so he took a nice nap of 2 hours and then he finished his final cubes so he'd get the ammount he decided to get (2^12) when he realized that he couldn't beat Milán as it was.

Looks like someone's taking cubing too seriously.

Anyway, great job on the record guys .

 

[Kenny]

A few of Matyi's solves: http://rapidshare.com/files/164768215/S7306632.AVI.html (high quality, hence the size)

 

[Derrick Eide17]

A few of Matyi's solves: http://rapidshare.com/files/164768215/S7306632.AVI.html (high quality, hence the size)

i wanna see Milans solves!
any of his?

 

[Pedro]

A few of Matyi's solves: http://rapidshare.com/files/164768215/S7306632.AVI.html (high quality, hence the size)

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