[Indian NR] Akash Rupela 6.91 3x3 single

[Akash Rupela]

wtf. The WCA can DNF solves if not scrambled right? That's not even the competitors fault.

Yeah. Not competitors fault but WCA thinks it's fair that way and I accept the decision . The sadder part is i dont get a resolve and become 4th instead of 1st
Can a mod please move this to official solves forum?

It is clear that there was one 'accidental' turn in the scramble, the scramble matches if one R' turn is replaced by R

 

[BillyRain]

That's bull. Totally not your fault.

Hey while we are at it... let's DNF every single 6x6 and 7x7 solve ever done in the UK. Cus people get those scrambles right every time :s

 

[obelisk477]

That's bull. Totally not your fault.

Hey while we are at it... let's DNF every single 6x6 and 7x7 solve ever done in the UK. Cus people get those scrambles right every time :s

https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/regulations/#4g1

4g1) Exception: For the 6x6x6 Cube, 7x7x7 Cube, and Megaminx, it is not necessary to correct the scramble, at the discretion of the WCA Delegate.

 

[BillyRain]

https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/regulations/#4g1

4g1) Exception: For the 6x6x6 Cube, 7x7x7 Cube, and Megaminx, it is not necessary to correct the scramble, at the discretion of the WCA Delegate.

Lol. Somuch inconsistency.

 

[Goosly]

Hey while we are at it... let's DNF every single 6x6 and 7x7 solve ever done in the UK. Cus people get those scrambles right every time :s

There's an exception for 6x6 and 7x7 in the regulations.
4g1) Exception: For the 6x6x6 Cube, 7x7x7 Cube, and Megaminx, it is not necessary to correct the scramble, at the discretion of the WCA Delegate.

If this fault would have been noticed in the competition, he would've gotten a rescramble to replace this DNF. But unfortunately this is now impossible, since the competition is over. By the way, if anyone suggests that this solve should be legit because it's the scramblers fault and not the competitors, I'll "accidentally" misscramble Mats' cube at the next competition in the Netherlands and give him an easy triple x-cross. The solve would obviously be legit because it was my fault and not Mats'.

 

[XTowncuber]

Wait what? Since when have we DNF'd misscrambled solves??

 

[Kirjava]

Wait what? Since when have we DNF'd misscrambled solves??

Since forever

 

[Robert-Y]

So if this had happened at least twice in the world championship finals for Feliks, he wouldn't be world champion?

 

[Musicalboy2]

So if this had happened at least twice in the world championship finals for Feliks, he wouldn't be world champion?

A good question, but I think people would have a natural tendency check the scramble more carefully if they were scrambling for 3x3 finals of worlds or nats or any big comp.

 

[XTowncuber]

Since forever

Wow, I really had no idea that was even a possibility.

 

[uberCuber]

So if this had happened at least twice in the world championship finals for Feliks, he wouldn't be world champion?

And if it had happened even once to Collin last weekend, Rowe would be US champion instead (with Feliks winning the competition)


The fact that this is a possibility is so annoying...

 

[Deleted member 19792]

Ya, one time I was at a scrambling station, and some other guy was helping too. After the other guy had scrambled 20-30 cubes, I realized he was not scrambling in the correct orientation and was very confused with notation. All of those solves have not and should not be DNFed!

inb4 this becomes an unofficial competition.

 

[Coolster01]

Spoiler: inb4

ohey, it's a really good 2x2er, i'm gonna misscramble 2 of his solves and make them good scrambles, then he'll think he gets WR, but instead it becomes DNF average.

 

[mati1242]

The WCA decision is just ridiculous...

 

[XTowncuber]

So like, what if I am scrambling for a round and I don't want someone to win...can't I just give them 2 easy misscrambles and then point it out in the video after the competition? Instant DNF average? That doesn't make sense.

 

[MatejMuzatko]

That's why we should use Cubestormers instead of boring people!

 

[Mikel]

DNFing this average makes sense. The solve was misscrambled and was not set under "fair conditions".

So like, what if I am scrambling for a round and I don't want someone to win...can't I just give them 2 easy misscrambles and then point it out in the video after the competition? Instant DNF average? That doesn't make sense.

If you or anyone else were to do this, I'm sure the WDC would ban you for a long time. It would be extremely unsportsmanlike to do so. The WCA relies on an honor system providing that judges and scramblers follow the regulations.

I know the scrambler in this instance did not do his job of checking the scramble, but if it were caught in the competition, Akash would be awarded a resolve. I'm hoping the scrambler made a mistake and was not doing it intentionally. I'm too slow to ever set a record like this, but if I ever did set a Continental or World record, I would check with the delegate to be sure I had the correct scramble before the end of the round so that I could do a resolve for that solve.

 

[XTowncuber]

DNFing this average makes sense. The solve was misscrambled and was not set under "fair conditions".



If you or anyone else were to do this, I'm sure the WDC would ban you for a long time. It would be extremely unsportsmanlike to do so. The WCA relies on an honor system providing that judges and scramblers follow the regulations.

I know the scrambler in this instance did not do his job of checking the scramble, but if it were caught in the competition, Akash would be awarded a resolve. I'm hoping the scrambler made a mistake and was not doing it intentionally. I'm too slow to ever set a record like this, but if I ever did set a Continental or World record, I would check with the delegate to be sure I had the correct scramble before the end of the round so that I could do a resolve for that solve.

Joe wins a major competition with a 9.55 second average. He posts the average online and someone points out that 2 of the solves were misscrambled. Joe's average becomes DNF. There were 2 scramblers for that round. Both scramblers say that the other person did the misscrambles.

What happens now?

pretty stupid hypothesis, but there does seem to be a bit of a loophole.

 

[Akash Rupela]

I have seen prepared scrambles and totally unmatching scrambles being DNF'ed. But a scramble where its clearly proved as just a single move is wrong is the first time i have seen so.

I have not verified three other solves in this average yet. Does this mean i should go ahead and check them also for a potential misscramble?(considering its the same scrambler, there is a probability of another error).
If any one of them is wrong, My first round gets DNF. My next 3 rounds all become invalid for not qualifying, the winner of the competition gets changed. In the stats list for most solves in a competition, i would go out of the list from currently being at 2nd place. It might be fair on the rules . But is it fair for me?
I am not saying this solve neccessarily be made revalid, My point is why do we have to stress on verification only of good solves? I think it should be made compulsary to verify scrambles for as many puzzles as possible and a scrambler found not verifying be eligible to be disqualified from the competition(or some ban?), and any capable person refusing to scramble is already eligible as per current regulations. There is no other way to get a very high level accuracy with using human scramblers and using robots is still not being feasible at least for a few years. Things should be same for all people, fast or slow. If i would have got a 12-13 second solve , i m 100% confident no one would have bothered to check the scramble. That part is not fair and as a delegate myself, I think some loopholes need to be fixed in the 2015 regulations . I accept the decision but I don't want this to happen to others

 

[uberCuber]

(not addressed at a particular person)

Every time people film their solves and plan to upload them for people to see, should they check with the delegate to make sure their scrambles were correct on every single solve? Is that really the only way to ensure that they won't be DNF'd for something that isn't their fault?