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Well, today I did two Ao50's to see where I am at. First the Color neutral Ao50. I did all of them on anything but white. So there where a few yellows in there:

Mean: 35.14
Average: 34.95
Best time: 24.08
Median: 34.58
Worst time: 55.43
Standard deviation: 5.88

Best average of 5: 29.17
4-8 - 26.95 30.00 30.56 (25.88) (32.88)

Best average of 12: 32.32
12-23 - 29.07 35.36 (38.63) 34.32 (24.08) 32.54 32.47 32.80 33.57 27.54 27.76 37.80

I filmed a few solves. You can see that I take too many and too long pauzes.:

39. 31.24 D B2 D U2 L2 U' L2 F2 R2 D R2 B' L' B D F' D2 L' F D' F
40. 33.72 U2 B2 U' L2 B2 R2 D F2 D R2 L2 F R' D' R' B U2 B L D2 U
41. 33.74 D' B2 U L2 D2 F2 R2 D' R2 U' B D' L' U2 B2 R2 B F' U' F'
42. 36.14 D2 L2 D L2 U B2 D' F2 D' U' B' U B2 L D' R L F L U2 B

[video=youtube_share;gMqMB--wWA8]http://youtu.be/gMqMB--wWA8[/video]

Then I did the Ao50 on white/yellow:

Mean: 29.92
Average: 29.84
Best time: 23.68
Median: 29.75
Worst time: 40.12
Standard deviation: 3.84

Best average of 5: 26.50
6-10 - 25.13 (25.08) (30.74) 29.14 25.24

Best average of 12: 28.00
5-16 - 27.54 25.13 25.08 30.74 29.14 25.24 (31.62) 31.42 (23.87) 29.42 27.76 28.54

I also filmed a few (the last 6):

45. 31.56 R2 D' B2 U F2 U' F2 D' B2 D2 B D B2 L B2 R2 B L2 U'
46. 28.52 U' B2 D' R2 F2 U R2 U' B2 L2 U2 F L' D R' U B' U L' B' D U'
47. 24.52 D L2 F2 U2 B2 L2 U' B2 U2 L2 U2 L' F R2 L2 U' R' F2 L2 F2 D
48. 24.31 D' F2 R2 U' R2 L2 D2 F2 L2 B2 U' F' L U R D' F' L' B' U' L'
49. 31.54 D F2 D B2 F2 L2 D L2 B2 U' F2 L' D2 F R' B' L B' U2 L2 F2 U'
50. 28.38 U F2 D2 R2 U' R2 F2 L2 D2 B2 U2 L B' R' D' R' F' U2 L B D2 U2

Click here because I can not embed two videos in one post

I am quite pleased with my results on CN. I wonder however if I ever will get to my white yellow times. Solving on white is real different. You do not have to think or concentrate as hard as on the other colors. But that said, solving CN has already grown on me. In the Ao50 on white I accidently did a few on other colors.. LOL. Getting used to finding the best cross is really easy

EDIT: just watched them myself. Don't mind the 2+ penalties.. LOL it's just training.

Marcel you should really practice on avoiding cube rotations... On the first solve of the video you did like 6-7 of them (didn't watch the rest), that's way too much... some of them were y2 which could always be avoided.
Try practicing on slow solving, don't go fast just solve the F2L the best way you can, not the fastest. try inserting with the left hand and not just the right, try inserting to the back of the cube. If you can't see a piece try to figure out where it is by eliminating all other options.

From your thread I can see all you do is timed solves, that's not good, you should really work on solving slowly trying to figure out creative ways to solve F2L and the cross, do it for a while and then come back to timed solves, you'll improve a lot.

omer said:

From your thread I can see all you do is timed solves, that's not good

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What about his slow solving on the train?

Omer, it is quite funny to see you critique him.. Marcel is faster than you are! *giggle*


Are you doing enough slow solves?

Kattenvriendin said:

Omer, it is quite funny to see you critique him.. Marcel is faster than you are! *giggle*


Are you doing enough slow solves?

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He is faster than me, but not a lot faster. I just noticed he has a weakness (a lot of rotations) and told him he should fix it to get faster.

Thanks Omer. I appreciate everyone's input on my solving. That's how I got this fast anyway. You are right about the rotations in the first video. Well, I just recently switched to color neutral. It takes forever for me to find pairs. So when I can't find anything in a split second I simply make a rotation in the hope that it will reveal new pairs that I can slot. If you look at the white solves I do not make a lot of rotations except for the ones which I learned to slot with a y or y' rotation. For example like this:


I use y' U' (R' U R) because that's how I learned them.


y' (R' U' R)

These are legitimate use of rotations. And maybe I could put some more effort in avoiding these rotations but it will not make me a lot faster.

About the slow solves you are right. These are very good for improvement, I only do once a week big timed sessions. On fridays. All other days I do slow solves in the train to work. I travell each day 3 hours per train. I do approx 100 slow solves in the train. And if I get to it I do also 100 slow (but a lot faster) solves at home. At home I do not have to worry about disturbing other travellers

For the first example you can also just do: FR'F'R


Don't know or you find it easier.

Or, if you don't like F moves, r U R' U' M

Yes, I know the other moves. In fact for most F2L cases I have put different moves in my
Alg trainer so I get familliar with other moves. The fact is however, for slow turners like m e, this is not going to affect my time in a positive way. I have to think about what I am going to do etc. The moves with the y'and y turns are for me 100 % natural and relatively fast. After getting sub 25 I might considder doing so more work in this area.

I recieved an unknown cube in the post today from China. I can not tell from which shop it comes and I can not tell what kind of cube it is. It is really smooth. It looks like a Dayan Zhanchi, but with more rounded corners. And the color is more yellowish white (ivory?).

I have no idea what kind of cube is that, never seen one before oO

bt Marcel, do you have a staackmat timer ? I've been trying to find an online store that ships to Brazil but I can't seem to find one

Yep, Dealmaz had cheap ones (around 10 - 15 dollar). Free shipping world wide.

I did a big timed CN session this morning. I had not so great times. Av just sub 35 seconds. I used also a few white crosses in there. If not it would have been a lot worse. Then I did an Ao12 on white only.

Average of 12: 27.01
21.98 29.17 29.68 (21.79) 25.07 27.70 24.95 28.95 (30.45) 25.28 27.43 29.92

I think it is time see realize that CN is not the way for me to get faster. I will continue a little longer on CN because I find it more fun.. We'll see...

*kuchinboxkuch* LOL

Kattenvriendin said:

*kuchinboxkuch* LOL

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Fixed

Sent LOL

Well, just when I was about to stop practicing color neutral I had this Ao12 today:

Best average of 12: 29.48
1-12 - 33.73 25.94 29.63 29.22 30.47 (33.88) 28.01 30.79 (25.85) 29.51 27.06 30.45

None on white and one on yellow.. This average is a fluce (spelling?). Since my CN averages are far from being sub 30. Nonetheless I am very happy with it. It gives me quite a boost to continue on color neutral. Oh end.. I did not do a single CN solve the last day. I only did white solves. That makes it even more strange.

MarcelP said:

Well, just when I was about to stop practicing color neutral I had this Ao12 today:

Best average of 12: 29.48
1-12 - 33.73 25.94 29.63 29.22 30.47 (33.88) 28.01 30.79 (25.85) 29.51 27.06 30.45

None on white and one on yellow.. This average is a fluce (spelling?). Since my CN averages are far from being sub 30. Nonetheless I am very happy with it. It gives me quite a boost to continue on color neutral. Oh end.. I did not do a single CN solve the last day. I only did white solves. That makes it even more strange.

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Yeah, it's spelled "fluke." Generally you'll only see -uce when it's pronounced "oos."

Ah thanks! It's been 30 years ago since I had english in school

What is your CN movecount vs White cross movecount?

I was CN with petrus but forced myself to start with the same color when I switched to roux.

Maybe the 2 moves saved aren't worth it? Keep it simple

cowabunga said:

What is your CN movecount vs White cross movecount?

I was CN with petrus but forced myself to start with the same color when I switched to roux.

Maybe the 2 moves saved aren't worth it? Keep it simple

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This topic is very debatable. Both sides could and would make a very strong argument. I don't think there needs to be arguing about this on this thread.