PandaCuber
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Wont let me vote again. Sorry.
What Should I Learn Before I Stop Learning?
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Wont let me vote again. Sorry.
jskyler91
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NP, i just meant that you could vote for more than one WHEN YOU VOTE INITIALLY.
Kirjava
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not at all. learning something and not using it will not slow you down at all.
jskyler91
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It does for me, I find that the simpler I keep my knowledge set, the faster I am overall. This doesn't really apply for Big cube stuff or other puzzles of course, but if I learn something for a particular puzzle i generally want to use it or else lose it because too many things cluttering my mind makes me slower. Maybe this is just me.
Kirjava
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that sounds very strange. does it happen when you learn *anything*? as in, does reading books make you slower?
jskyler91
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Nope, just with specific categories that require speed of recognition, so just cubing and things like random facts challenges. My mind is more meant for understanding of concepts, not memorization. Hense why I am so semetrical in my solving; it just makes since to me conceptually and then I apply it to all sides.
evogler
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When you learn something new and try to incorporate it into your main speed method, your times can go up temporarily, no? Mine went up for a while when I first started doing F2L instead of LBL, and also for a while when I first used 1 look OLL.
jskyler91
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The difference here is that I just don't want too many things or else I will have to think more about my solve and it will therefore likely be slower.
evogler
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No, that's what I'm saying also. There's usually a trade off to retooling/augmenting your technique. Sometimes it's obviously worth it or not worth it, other times it's unclear.
jskyler91
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Ah, cool, I am not saying some people can't keep learning and learning, but for me I prefer to be very comfortable with my algs so I can recall quicker. This is easier to achieve if you have less to get comfortable with, Therefore i want to learn as few algs as possible. Preferably I want algs for situations that come up often so my comfort can grow quicker.
Kirjava
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Jaycee
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Maybe that's the case for you. Don't assume Jskyler's way of learning and applying things is the same as yours.
Rpotts
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COLL is worth it, there are only a few cases that are really bad and are probably best ignored, like diag T, which is the only COLL I never use in solves. I'd be happy to PM you my algs if you want em.
OLLCP might be worth it, I'm still not sure if I'd be faster if I never paid attention and just went straight into OLL without bothering to pause and check the CP, sometimes just to get a Z perm instead of J. :CC
Of course go for easy xcrosses and 2x2x2/3 blocks.
I wouldn't bother with 1LLL like ZZ/ZBLL, or complex, high alg-count LS methods, other than a few easy to recognize cases here and there. For instance, I know a few 2GLLs for T/U when there is a solved 1x2x3 block, making it super easy to recognize. Also, they're mostly just sune combos.
Spending too much extra recognition time on solving EO during F2L probably isn't worth it unless you're super good at COLL or know a lot of ZBLL since so many OLLs are just as fast, or faster than OCLLs.
Also, practice diagonal PLLs until you're fingers bleed, they come up, it's best just to deal with them. I used to hate hate hate E perm. Then I practiced the RUD alg for weeks. Now it's my favorite diag, the only one I can sub1. Same with Na perm, used to hate it, practiced the RUD alg and got better. It still isn't great, but it's not as damning to a solve as it was before. Nb can go **** itself. V is k.
OLLCP might be worth it, I'm still not sure if I'd be faster if I never paid attention and just went straight into OLL without bothering to pause and check the CP, sometimes just to get a Z perm instead of J. :CC
Of course go for easy xcrosses and 2x2x2/3 blocks.
I wouldn't bother with 1LLL like ZZ/ZBLL, or complex, high alg-count LS methods, other than a few easy to recognize cases here and there. For instance, I know a few 2GLLs for T/U when there is a solved 1x2x3 block, making it super easy to recognize. Also, they're mostly just sune combos.
Spending too much extra recognition time on solving EO during F2L probably isn't worth it unless you're super good at COLL or know a lot of ZBLL since so many OLLs are just as fast, or faster than OCLLs.
Also, practice diagonal PLLs until you're fingers bleed, they come up, it's best just to deal with them. I used to hate hate hate E perm. Then I practiced the RUD alg for weeks. Now it's my favorite diag, the only one I can sub1. Same with Na perm, used to hate it, practiced the RUD alg and got better. It still isn't great, but it's not as damning to a solve as it was before. Nb can go **** itself. V is k.
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Kirjava
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Maybe that's the case for you. Don't assume Jskyler's way of learning and applying things is the same as yours.
try harder
Jaycee
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Kirjava
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Did you not notice that my reply there was to evogler and not jskyler?
Jaycee
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To be honest, I did not. But you responded to me as well, and I had mentioned jskyler ._.
jskyler91
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COLL is worth it, there are only a few cases that are really bad and are probably best ignored, like diag T, which is the only COLL I never use in solves. I'd be happy to PM you my algs if you want em.
OLLCP might be worth it, I'm still not sure if I'd be faster if I never paid attention and just went straight into OLL without bothering to pause and check the CP, sometimes just to get a Z perm instead of J. :CC
Of course go for easy xcrosses and 2x2x2/3 blocks.
I wouldn't bother with 1LLL like ZZ/ZBLL, or complex, high alg-count LS methods, other than a few easy to recognize cases here and there. For instance, I know a few 2GLLs for T/U when there is a solved 1x2x3 block, making it super easy to recognize. Also, they're mostly just sune combos.
Spending too much extra recognition time on solving EO during F2L probably isn't worth it unless you're super good at COLL or know a lot of ZBLL since so many OLLs are just as fast, or faster than OCLLs.
Also, practice diagonal PLLs until you're fingers bleed, they come up, it's best just to deal with them. I used to hate hate hate E perm. Then I practiced the RUD alg for weeks. Now it's my favorite diag, the only one I can sub1. Same with Na perm, used to hate it, practiced the RUD alg and got better. It still isn't great, but it's not as damning to a solve as it was before. Nb can go **** itself. V is k.
Thanks man, good to get some solid feedback, I definitely do practice my algs a lot, but my problems with ENVY is that they are harder in general to recog from 2 sides with the method I use, so it would just be nice to knock them out completely with 57 algorithms. It seems worth it to me. Also, my v perm is my worst alg and I can barely sub 1.5 it on a good day (stupid cube rotation). Also, I would love to see your COLL algs; I have been looking for a good set. I don't know if I will actually learn them all, because I think R-OLL plus Cp on the algs that lead to ENVY is going to be faster recall in the long run than full COLL, plus it can be used every solve so you can practice it a lot, but some good ones would be nice in case I change my mind.
I did, and i actually agree that you should learn as much as you can, I just say know you limits, and in my case, keeping 200 plus algorithms up to speed finger and recog wise is just not practical for me.
Kirjava
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My only response to you was correcting your mistake.
jskyler91
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Maybe that's the case for you. Don't assume Jskyler's way of learning and applying things is the same as yours.
Very well put, we all learn differently and my way is just not oriented towards memo, but rather concepts. Others are really good at memo and can't understand the concepts at all, some focus on something completely different like application or TPS
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