Race to sub 5 (7x7)

Mike Hughey said:
Round 4
7:47.12
8:15.11, 7:57.29, 7:08.97

Last one was done AvG. It's strange - it really seems like AvG is noticeably better for me with odd sized cubes (5 and 7), but freeslice is almost as good as AvG for even sized cubes (well, 6x6x6). I wonder if there's anything to that, or it's just something I'm imagining. AvG just feels so efficient on odd cubes to me - even if I might get lucky with free pieces solved on freeslice, it seems like lookahead is so reliable with AvG that it's hard to beat.
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James Ludlow has mentioned something similar lately and I also notice that I am much better (relatively) on odd-sized cubes compared to even sized. pairing an edge around a center (odd cubes) is just much faster for me than pairing it with another edge (even cubes). And my 4x4x4 and 6x6x6 are just bad. 7x7x7 is not so great either but sometimes it turns great and I get hope of reaching sub6 again and sub 5:30 later. Combined with the knowledge that Erik switched to freeslice only for 6x6x6 I am quite confident that AvG is best for odd cubes. Unfortunately I have never even tried freeslice myself so I can't compare it. MAYBE I will try it sometime in the future, but not now!

I try to solve 666 (5 times), 555 (12 times), 444 (12 times) every day and currently my PB's are as follows:
6x6x6 1/1 = 3:33.03, 3/5 = 3:53.26
5x5x5 1/1 = 1:36.86, 3/5 = 1:52.93, 10/12 = 1:54.67
4x4x4 1/1 = 1:01.09, 3/5 = 1:10.32, 10/12 = 1:16.92
 
EricReese said:
I'm so bad at last 2 centers, I..don't..understand really what I'm doing. I just play around with it :/ I could cut around 5 minutes off my time if I knew what I was doing on those 2 centers <_<

21:09.44 = MO3


21:28.78, 19:58.21, 22:01.34

Ugh
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For last 2 centers I use 1 of 2 approaches:
1) No system! If a lot of pieces of a color (check both) are already together just add them all to 1 center as soon as possible and then commutator/slice-niklas the last 4 or 5 pieces in their positions
2) Lines. Make the middle vertical line first (line 3), then add a line of inner-centers to the left (line 2), then add a line of outer-centers to the left of that (line 1), then add a line of inner-centers to the right (line 4), then add as many of the last line as you can (at least 3, but often 4 pieces) and commutator/niklas the last piece(s)

Another option is to make the 3x3x3 center and then add as many pieces as possible around it, but that can give horrible cases with 10 pieces to add and no freedom to add them, so only use this option if many outer-edges will be together after making the inner 3x3x3.......almost never
 
ROUND 4:

James Ludlow - 6:02.57
AvGalen - 6:11.23
cubeflip - 7:04.15
LouisCormier - 7:04.40
Mike Hughey - 7:47.12
Jakube - 8:27.30
rock1313 - 8:27.30
Georgeanderre - 9:11.52
APdRF - 10:46.28
RyanReese09 - 11:59.23
EricReese - 21:09.44

Sorry Louis if I spelled your name wrong numerous times.
 
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Round 5:


1. L 2R2 2D2 2U' U D 2R 3R2 B2 R2 3F' U2 3R 2D R 2L' 2R2 D 2L2 3U' 2U' U' 3R' B2 2B2 2L2 3R2 L D2 3R 2D2 2B' 3L' 2R' 3B 2F' L B2 2D2 F2 2R2 3F2 U2 3L 2F' 3D2 F 3F' 2L U' D 2B' B2 3D2 R' U2 2L2 2D2 3U 2F2 2D 2U 2F' 3U 3R L' 2R' 3F B 2D' U' 2U2 3L2 2R2 R2 2D 3L' F' 2B 2U2 L' B 2U' 2B R2 2L 3U' 3F2 2U' R2 2F F2 2L' 2R2 F' R2 2U' 2F 2B' 3D2

2. 2B2 3R 3L' D 3F' 2F 2U 2R' 3L2 3B 2U' 3D B 2F 3F' U R2 3U R2 3D2 2F2 3B 2U' 3B 3F F2 D' 2U U2 R2 3D' L U' 2U' 2D 3F B 2B2 U' F2 2L' 3R' F 2U' 3U' 2B 2F B 2R 3R L2 B U 2U' 3B2 2F2 D 2U' 3U 3B' 2F' 3U' 3B' F2 3R' 2D' 3D' 3F B F 3L 3U' D2 2L2 3U 2F 2D' 3D 2L2 2B' 3U2 D L 2F 3D 2F' L 2B' 2R2 D2 3U' 2L B2 2R 2L2 3U 2B2 2R' 3R F'

3. L' 3U2 2B2 2F 3B' L2 2D' 2L 3D2 3B2 L 2L2 B 3D2 R 3R2 3U2 2R 3B2 U 2F' 2L F2 2R2 2B F' 3F 2L D2 2U' 2L' 2D' L' 3R 3D2 2L 2U 3B' 3L2 2F' L 2L2 3D U2 B 2U' 2B2 3R U2 B' 2D2 B' 2L2 2F U L 3F L' 3L' 3B 3L2 3B2 3U 2L2 L 2D' 2F' L' 3F 2B' 2F 2L' U 2L2 L 2D' 3L2 D2 F2 B 2R 3U2 3R 3D' 2D' D 2F2 3L2 3U L2 2F2 3F 2D2 3F 2U' 3U 3F' 2F2 3B 3D2

This round ends next Sunday
 
On a scale of 1-10 how much does lubing the v7 help with turning (and with what lube)? I haven't under the assumption it would break in quite fast since each solve has an obnoxious number of turns (probably done like 40 solves total, maybe 50 (not all by me))
 
RyanReese09 said:
On a scale of 1-10 how much does lubing the v7 help with turning (and with what lube)? I haven't under the assumption it would break in quite fast since each solve has an obnoxious number of turns (probably done like 40 solves total, maybe 50 (not all by me))
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You're assumption is correct but after 3 or 4 good lube and circa 100 solves the turning becomes much easier and it can cut like a dream
 
James Ludlow : Round 5

5.23.44 6.03.04 5.56.71 = 5.47.73

Comment - WTF 1st solve. I kept getting pairs of edges, over and over again. It felt like 6x6 edges on this one. Combine that with a 2.20centres, and I pulled this beast out of the bag. This is probably my best ever solve on any cube. I really don't think I could have gone any quicker, and think it will be a long time before I even come close to this.
 
1 - 8:52.67
Comment : centres felt much faster here but made a few mistakes on edges
2 - 8:30.72
Comment : first time ive been able to lookahead without messing up ... centres felt very slow though
3 - 8:12.61
Comment : must of been even better look ahead on this one ... considering about 1m of that time i was underneath my desk searching for a piece and still solving one handed

Average = 8:31.99
Comment : almost sub 8:30 :), a bit more look ahead practice and i reckon ill have that next week
 
AvGalen said:
James Ludlow has mentioned something similar lately and I also notice that I am much better (relatively) on odd-sized cubes compared to even sized. pairing an edge around a center (odd cubes) is just much faster for me than pairing it with another edge (even cubes). And my 4x4x4 and 6x6x6 are just bad. 7x7x7 is not so great either but sometimes it turns great and I get hope of reaching sub6 again and sub 5:30 later. Combined with the knowledge that Erik switched to freeslice only for 6x6x6 I am quite confident that AvG is best for odd cubes. Unfortunately I have never even tried freeslice myself so I can't compare it. MAYBE I will try it sometime in the future, but not now!
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Fascinating! Now the thing I'd like to understand is why this might be. It seems like it can't really just be recognition - it doesn't seem like it's that different pairing with another edge versus pairing with a center. I wonder if there's a difference in movecounts somehow. (Oh, and I just had my best freeslice average on 6x6x6 ever: 5:04.36 for the weekly competition. My best averages ever on 6x6x6 are just under 5 minutes, so I'm really almost there with freeslice on 6x6x6 now. And yet my 7x7x7 average is still terrible.)


@caseyd: In this context, AvG is referring to AvGalen's method for pairing edges. If you don't know it, you should learn it - it's a fun way to solve, and I think it's useful to understand how it works even if you don't use it normally.
 
Round 5: LouisCormier - 7:03.36

Statistics for 05-10-2011 20:47:16
Cube: Black V-cube

Number of Pops: 0
Average: 7:03.36
Standard Deviation: 18.62
Best Time: 6:47.47
Worst Time: 7:29.49
Individual Times:
7:29.49, 6:53.12, 6:47.47

First solve was terrible!
 
Round 5: 6:13.22 6:04.19 5:48.58 = 6:02.00

I am starting to do more and more sub 6 solves, 3 for weekly 19 as well.
I will do a few timed splits on 4x4x4, 5x5x5, 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 to determine if I suck at centers, inner pairing, outer pairing, or 3x3x3. I will post those results in this thread OR in a seperate thread if I think there is really something interesting going on

I just read James message about his 5:23 with 2:20 centers. That means 3 minutes for 3x3x3+Edges on a solve where he was really happy with those edges.
Centers for me are normally around 3:10, edges just over 2 minutes and 3x3x3 about 45 seconds. So I guess James needs more time on a great solve for edge than I need on a normal solve. On the other hand, I can only dream about doing 2:20 for centers
 
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