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Selkie · Mar 14, 2016

Isaac Lai said:
Just to ask, how do you guys go about doing your LL on mega?

Using a shocking bad system to be fair though I have remembered it not solving the megaminx in over 4 years:-

Like Miguel F (R U R' U') F' and inverse for EO
Also like Miguel Sune and ASune for EP
Then commutators for CO
Then commutators for CP

Isaac Lai · Mar 14, 2016

muchacho said:
I do it like in this video (justkeepcubing) except only using sune for edge permutation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWI6Bdao5Y4

mafergut said:
Funny that you ask as I have just replied to you on this on the Accomplishment thread!

I do EO with FRUR'U'F' and FURU'R'F' (it takes two at most)
Then I do EP with Sune and Antisune (it should take two at most, if done well, which I not always do)
Then I do CP with "front" Niklas (it also should take two at most but I have to learn to do it in both directions, so right now it is more like 3 or 4 of these)
The I do CO with beginners (8 moves per corner).

Total time in average (except for easy LL) around 1 minute, maybe more.

Conclusion: My LL sucks. Looking for a better method... and spare time to learn it.

Selkie said:
Using a shocking bad system to be fair though I have remembered it not solving the megaminx in over 4 years:-

Like Miguel F (R U R' U') F' and inverse for EO
Also like Miguel Sune and ASune for EP
Then commutators for CO
Then commutators for CP

Oddly enough, I never actually used this method for solving LL.

At this stage, I recommend doing EO, CO, EP then CP.
EO is done as you guys have mentioned.
CO is done using commutators (for the two cases with five twisted corners you should do a sune first to at least orient some corners)
EP is done using 4 algs:
when edges are adjacent: J perm to cycle edges clockwise, Y perm to cycle edges anti-clockwise
when edges are opposite: R2 U2' R2' U' R2 U2' R2' for clockwise, R2 U2 R2' U R2 U2 R2' for anti-clockwise
CP is done using commutators.

This is a simplified version of the tutorial Simon Westlund has on his channel. However, what he teaches (and also what I do normally) is to do each step with one algorithm (no commutators).

Edit: on occasion you might get the crappy EP case with one adjacent swap and one opposite swap. You could either do the J/Y perm twice or just learn the alg.

muchacho · Mar 14, 2016

So the advanced version is same steps order but more algs? ok, I'm switching to this, thanks.

Logiqx · Mar 14, 2016

mark49152 said:
Haha, yeah that's the first thing I noticed too. What geeks we are.

Hehe. I saw this advert in the train station at Leeds a few weeks ago...

It's the exactly the same cube and I'm not a little bit geeky. I'm very geeky.

Logiqx · Mar 14, 2016

Selkie said:
Using a shocking bad system to be fair though I have remembered it not solving the megaminx in over 4 years:-

Like Miguel F (R U R' U') F' and inverse for EO
Also like Miguel Sune and ASune for EP
Then commutators for CO
Then commutators for CP

I haven't picked up my mega in a couple of years but I used a similar approach using existing 3x3 knowledge:

EO (FRU + FUR)
EP (Sune + Anti-Sune)
CP (Niklas + variations)
CO (Sexy / Dan Brown Style)

Selkie · Mar 14, 2016

@Mega Race

From WC ... Megaminx: 6:25.30, 5:30.19, 6:08.33, 5:29.09, 7:05.66 = 6:01.27

Shocking, think I averaged about 4:40 when I did solve it which sort of relates to previous singles in comp. Looking forward to improving

Isaac Lai said:
Oddly enough, I never actually used this method for solving LL.

At this stage, I recommend doing EO, CO, EP then CP.
EO is done as you guys have mentioned.
CO is done using commutators (for the two cases with five twisted corners you should do a sune first to at least orient some corners)
EP is done using 4 algs:
when edges are adjacent: J perm to cycle edges clockwise, Y perm to cycle edges anti-clockwise
when edges are opposite: R2 U2' R2' U' R2 U2' R2' for clockwise, R2 U2 R2' U R2 U2 R2' for anti-clockwise
CP is done using commutators.

This is a simplified version of the tutorial Simon Westlund has on his channel. However, what he teaches (and also what I do normally) is to do each step with one algorithm (no commutators).

Edit: on occasion you might get the crappy EP case with one adjacent swap and one opposite swap. You could either do the J/Y perm twice or just learn the alg.

I think I will try this out when my solve up to LL improves significantly. Thanks for sharing.

Logiqx said:
I haven't picked up my mega in a couple of years but I used a similar approach using existing 3x3 knowledge:

I was surprised I had remembered to be fair. Does feel like I'm solving it for the first time ... each and every time

h2f · Mar 14, 2016

If you are not bored with my solves... My yesterday's 5bld, which I've done in the night after a job (yes, I had to work yesterday) with hard memo (some lockups) and very slow execution (my + and x centers sucks). But I did it and I'm happy. I wanted to speed up execution but I've realized one can see my fight with myself and my cube which almost slipped out in the end. I thought in the end that there must be mistake during execution. But finally - yes, I did it....

mark49152 · Mar 14, 2016

h2f said:
My yesterday's 5bld

Awesome, nice solve, and nice reaction

Selkie · Mar 14, 2016

Congratulations Grzegorz, awesome stuff :tu

Jason Green · Mar 14, 2016

Logiqx said:
Hehe. I saw this advert in the train station at Leeds a few weeks ago...

It's the exactly the same cube and I'm not a little bit geeky. I'm very geeky.

That's funny.

That's an amazing 5BLD good job!

mafergut · Mar 14, 2016

h2f said:
My yesterday's 5bld, which I've done in the night after a job (yes, I had to work yesterday) with hard memo (some lockups) and very slow execution (my + and x centers sucks). But I did it and I'm happy. [...]

My head hurts just from watching the video. I can't imagine anything bigger than a 3x3 or two of them. Big cube BLD is mindblowing for me. Great job!

MarcelP · Mar 14, 2016

h2f said:
If you are not bored with my solves... My yesterday's 5bld, which I've done in the night after a job (yes, I had to work yesterday) with hard memo (some lockups) and very slow execution (my + and x centers sucks). But I did it and I'm happy. I wanted to speed up execution but I've realized one can see my fight with myself and my cube which almost slipped out in the end. I thought in the end that there must be mistake during execution. But finally - yes, I did it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap_85HGLyF4

That is awesome! Turning a 5x5 with blindfold alone is difficult enough. I would do r2 on accident when I need to do R2.

moralsh · Mar 14, 2016

there it goes

h2f · Mar 14, 2016

Wow. Finally! And PF!

Memo?

muchacho · Mar 14, 2016

That is crazy... and it should be an official event

mafergut · Mar 14, 2016

If you allow me to say something in Spanish for Raúl... en 2 palabras IM-PRESIONANTE!!!!
Impressive feat. And when you stopped mid-solve on the 2nd cube to go back to the first and then continued with the 2nd where you were...!

Regarding Mega, I got my 1st few sub-4 solves today and running Ao12 is now 4:15.xx but after those good solves I went back to 4:2x.xx so, I'm not even close to sub-4 Ao12 yet.

Jason Green · Mar 14, 2016

Got the shirt updated

http://www.redbubble.com/people/noelgreen/works/21225786-cfop2-cubing-is-for-old-people-2

mafergut · Mar 14, 2016

Got the scramble for that?

h2f · Mar 14, 2016

@Jason - Great!

Jason Green · Mar 14, 2016

mafergut said:
Got the scramble for that?

Haha nope. I actually scrambled one myself and spent a little time because I did not want very many color pairs.

Then I took a pic and he fixed the graphic.

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