X-Cross, Multislotting, Full OLL/PLL, cubemodding neccesary to get sub-20?

[pappas]

I dont do anything you mentioned to get sub 20, I dont even know full PLL and OLL and I'm sub 15.

 

[eastamazonantidote]

I'm going out on a limb and guessing the time reductions you saw were more from F2L improvements seeing that your times are certainly in the range where F2L is by far the biggest factor. Almost everyone will agree that full PLL is far more important than full OLL.

Hahaha my F2L has not improved by much since I hit 35 seconds. It's all in my cross and LL (now I do COLL+EPLL). My F2L is still at ~15 seconds now that I'm hitting 25 steadily when it was at ~16 back at 35 seconds.

I want some more opinions on full OLL vs full PLL. I'm trying to remember (and find) the thread that talked about this, but to no avail. My theory is that people think PLL is more important because they learned it when their times were still dropping pretty fast. By the time they got to OLL, the total time drop was less but maybe the same or more percentage-wise. OLL requires more algs, which makes people only learn it when they thirst for faster times. When you're always after faster times, those 2 second drops are never enough. But you remember the 2 second drop by learning PLL as something amazing. I'm of the opinion OLL is more important than PLL, but it is most certainly harder to convince people to learn it.

Just my 2 ( + 2 + 2) cents. I would like some serious discussion about this. What are your opinions of full PLL and full OLL vs. their 2-look counterparts?